Beetle - you want to know where our money is going .....?

[beet1e]

This just in: Tories overtake Labour in the polls.

After six-and-a-half years, this is a prime minister who has lost his grip and a government that has lost its way

...Howard told parliament. I'd go further than that. It didn't take 6½ years for them to lose their way. They were floundering within the first two years.

I'm smiling. I've waited patiently for this day, and wondered if I would ever live to see it! After a crappy 1992-1997 premiership with John Minor, closely associated with Norman "je ne regrette rien" Lamont, then two further lame duck leaders, things are on the up again.

Sparks: "hooker scandal"

[Replicant]

There isn't any political party that I feel I can identify with in the UK today.  Blair is an egotistical idiot who seems more interested in pleasing foreignors than the English public (English on purpose - he's given Scottish, Welsh, N.I. much more freedom but all at the English expense).

Tories, I hate them too.... BUT if it means voting them to get Blair out then I might just have to!  Afterall that's pretty much what everyone did by voting Labour to get the Tories out!

Liberal, well, they're living in cloudcuckooland.

[Dowding]

Personally, I think Tito was good for Yugoslavia.

I'd like to keep England for the English, and will therefore be voting far right this election. I propose cutting off Scotland and Wales, mainly because they are whiny bastards who bleat about being hard done by while English tax payers subsidize them, and the Northern Irish can piss off for ever thinking that we wouldn't get tired of c*nts like Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley mouthing off on our TV screens.

With three lame duck Lichtenstein-like states created in the form of Wales, Scotland and NI, we can then get to work on purging England of assylum seekers and anyone with French ancestry more recent than the Battle of Waterloo.

I reckon that manifesto would send a rocket up the arses of the pamapered stunninghunks currently residing in the House of Commons.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Dowding
Personally, I think Tito was good for Yugoslavia.

Yes I tend to agree, in many ways he made the best possible version of communism ever in the world and without his independance from Moscow we would have turned out much worse and had far fewer freedoms and openness to the west. Still of course it was communism.

In rejecting the stranglehold of Stalin and his thugs he was very much like Margaret Thatcher in her resistance to the coal miner union thugs and of course both helped save their nation by standing up to these evil forces.

[Dowding]

Yes, Stalin, a man directly responsible for the murder of 10s of millions of people is very similar to coal mining trade unions in Britain in the 1970s.

Yup, that flies.

[beet1e]

Grunherz/Dowding,

Don't let this one get out of hand.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Dowding
Yes, Stalin, a man directly responsible for the murder of 10s of millions of people is very similar to coal mining trade unions in Britain in the 1970s.

Yup, that flies.

Both had a history of destroying governments opposed to them. IIRC the coal unions and their greedy strikes were largely responsible for the failiure of some governmets before Maggie and of course they were paralyizing the economy with their strikes. They were causing chaos in the country just to inflate their allready high wages, pergaps  the highest industrial wages in the uk at the time.

[ravells]

I really don't think the issue was that simple Grunherz.

Ravs

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by ravells
I really don't think the issue was that simple Grunherz.

Ravs

Of course not, nothingb is simple, but for the purposes of a general discussion it is true - the unions behavior was crippling the country and causing economic chaos.

[Dowding]

Yes, for the purposes of your inane arguments it is that simple.

Those NKVD death-squads are so like the piquet line bullies in every way!

Pur-leaze.

[GRUNHERZ]

The coal miners unions and their incessant strikes and wage demands were wonderful for the economic progress and health of the UK in the 1970s and 1980s....

[Dowding]

Nice dodge. So did the unions have show trials, gulags, death squads, genocide and enforced ethnic transportation?

Face it Grunherz, your analogy is the king of suckage.

[GRUNHERZ]

Of course stalin killed people andf the unions did not, I concede that obvious fact...

Yet Stalin, on the internatinal level, was an enormousdly powerful political force facing Tito in 1948.  Stalin had allready made sure that all the east european communist parties fell in line after the war. But Tito chose to stand up to him and the result was a better future for Yougoslavia.

In much the same way, domestically the coal unions were an enormously powerful political force that had quite possibly been the cause of the downfall of some UK governments at that time yet Maggie decided to stand up to them and in doing so made a better future for the UK.

Even with their obvius differences the two were enormously powerful and destructive forces in their domain and Tito and Maggie took huge political risks in standing up to them and redefining the course of theirv respective nations towards greater prosperity.

[Dowding]

"Yeah, Stalin is just like the trade union movement, apart from that little matter of genocide."

[Sparks]

Dowding you've brightened my day

1. Hegemony :- “exercising power or predominance over others”.  (Classic FM Word of the Day: Friday 4 April  2003).  You learn something every day.

With three lame duck Lichtenstein-like states created in the form of Wales, Scotland and NI, we can then get to work on purging England of assylum seekers and anyone with French ancestry more recent than the Battle of Waterloo.

I reckon that manifesto would send a rocket up the arses of the pamapered stunninghunks currently residing in the House of Commons.

ROFLMAO - speak up the silent majority - it may be a troll but I don't care - WTFG

I wonder how many people in the UK only vote because they think they should and not because they actually favour any of the nominees.  

Sparks