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Offline Sparks

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How far is this phone / driving c**p going to go??
« on: December 01, 2003, 03:48:23 AM »
Ok so we all agree that holding the phone to your ear while driving is "A Bad Thing".  Not going to argue that point.

But stuck in a traffic jam ??? Or parked up with you engine running ???????  AND now they are not sure if hey are happy using a hands-free !!!!! Jesus H Krist are we capable of doing ANYTHING without it being approved by law??

So are they going to legislate specifically about eating a Macdonalds while you're driving or how about smoking ?? - Any research about how many accidents have been caused by studmuffin ends being dropped in a drivers lap?? How about changing the radio station or putting in a CD ??? Or god forbid you may be talking to a passenger in the car.

So I think to be completely safe we should require that the driver be behind glass acoustic screens with no visual or uadio access to the interior of the car and definitely no entertainment system. Also new cars should by law have pressure sensors on the steering wheel so that if you take a hand off the wheel without good cause (gear shift not seen operating within X seconds) then the ignition cuts out and a report is sent automatically to the police by satcom so the Dangerous Driving penalty can be mailed direct.



And so the relentless march to replace individual responsibilty with legislation continues - god help us.

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2003, 04:15:33 AM »
I know how you feel, Sparks. But I have been at the receiving end of some very bad driving when the other driver is clearly switched off. For one thing, forget about any turn signals. One time, I was clockwise on the M25 coming home from Gatwick when I saw a car sitting in lane 4 at a steady 60mph. Nothing in lane 3 except me. After about a minute of waiting to get by, I decided to pass in lane 3. Yeah I know it's naughty, but so is lane hogging. But just as I was about to go through, the lane 4 car moved into lane 3 - no signal. As I passed in lane 4, I saw that the driver was a woman in her 60s holding a phone to her ear. She was clearly oblivious to the traffic around her.

I've just been reading about the new law in the Telegraph.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/01/nmob01.xml
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Department for Transport research reveals that drivers are four times more likely to have an accident if using a mobile at the wheel.

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents says that at least 20 Britons have been killed in road crashes in which one or other driver was on the phone.

The society, which is campaigning for hands-free equipment also to be made illegal, criticised the late rush to the shops.

"Many motorists seem more interested in trying to find ways to continue making calls rather than accepting that any phone conversation makes you much more likely to crash," said Kevin Clinton, the head of road safety.

"There is little point having both hands connected to the steering wheel if the brain is not connected to the hands."


How the new law works

I think people will adjust to it, just as they adjusted to the new seatbelt law - 1.Jan,1983. And the helmet law - 1.Jan,1976.

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2003, 04:39:15 AM »
But Beetle your story and then that article following EXACTLY demonstrates what I am on about.

Yes I agree that holding a phone is a bad thing and I said that. But how is a phone conversation more likely to be more distracting than any other
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...rather than accepting that any phone conversation makes you much more likely to crash,"

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However, hands-free users could fall foul of existing legislation for "failing to have proper control of a vehicle" if they became so distracted by the conversation that their driving was impaired. Anyone involved in an accident while using a hands-free phone might be vulnerable to charges of careless or dangerous driving. Safety campaigners continue to lobby the Government to make all types of mobile unlawful while at the wheel.


So how do you determine that it was the phone conversation distracting the driver and not the kids in the back fighting ????


Maybe we should ban young men having attractive girls in the car - or maybe make it illegal for young women to wear skirts shorter than a certain length if they are getting in a car - any research on the number of fatalities involving young men with young women in the car - ooooh must be dangerous. :rolleyes:

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The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents says that at least 20 Britons have been killed in road crashes in which one or other driver was on the phone.

So where is the data on other causes - how many people killed while loading a CD, or changing radio stations, or looking for a lighter, or dropping a glowing studmuffin end.  

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"There is little point having both hands connected to the steering wheel if the brain is not connected to the hands."
By not having your brain connected to your hands you are "Driving Without Due Care and Attention" and who'd have guessed - there's a law against that already.  So if you cause an accident because you were drivng with you head up your arse on the phone then YOU are responsible because YOU were not driving with due care and attention.

But now we have specific legislation that says its only dangerous if you are holding a phone - hamburger is ok - must be - no law against it - cigarette is ok - must be - no law against it - girl freind giving you one - thats ok too.  Hells bells they even define that its dangerous (against the law) if you are parked with your engine running - after all you may drive off without knowing..............

So I say lets get ROSPA to investigate the next big accident cause - BAN SMOKING WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING !!! I wonder how far that one would fly.

I tell you what,  lets do it the other way round - lets enact legislation that only lets you drive a car a certain way and we have monitoring systems that report you if you don't.  Thou shalt have both hands on the wheel 95% of the time as monitored by sensors - thou shalt maintain speeds as laid down by GPS mapping - thou shalt only carry out those communications verbal or otherwise necessary to drive the car.

As I said ................. god help us.

Sparks
« Last Edit: December 01, 2003, 04:44:21 AM by Sparks »

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2003, 05:28:16 AM »
it's not the phone so much as the phone in the left hand, with an open folder of paperwork in the lap, and the right hand is typing on the laptop sitting on the seat, while they stear with the left knee.

that and women, looking in the rearview, putting on make-up while driving.

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2003, 05:59:45 AM »
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Maybe we should ban young men having attractive girls in the car - or maybe make it illegal for young women to wear skirts shorter than a certain length if they are getting in a car - any research on the number of fatalities involving young men with young women in the car - ooooh must be dangerous.
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AFAIK smoking IS banned while driving in cities - in Norway.

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Re: How far is this phone / driving c**p going to go??
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2003, 06:22:43 AM »
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So I think to be completely safe we should require that the driver be behind glass acoustic screens with no visual or uadio access to the interior of the car and definitely no entertainment system.
That's exactly what I thought.  Of course, then there would have to be some method of making sure the driver stayed awake without anything to keep his/her mind active when driving on motorways/freeways.....  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2003, 08:38:32 AM »
in england I believe it is illegal to eat or drink in your car.   I don't know how they tune their radios or work their heaters over there but apparently they can't drink out of a sport top bottle and drive at the same time!   at least.... their nanny government and wussy voters don't think so.

as for the cell phones.... I have noticed a distinct difference between someone talking on the phone or to someone in person... in person... it is no big deal... on the phone... people seem to disconnect with the world around them... they glaze over either thinking or trying to picture the other persons face... people talking on the phone are really not there with the rest of us.... honest people will admit this.

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2003, 10:18:55 AM »
Funny I should see this thread.  I was almost hit head-on saturday evening by someone driving the wrong way on a ONE-WAY street!!! :mad:

 Luckily they realized due to my High beams, Horn Blaring, and the chatter chirps of my ABS system.

I managed to get a look at the driver, sure enough on the Friggin cell phone, without hands-free.  :mad:

Time to build that EMP gun:mad:

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2003, 10:29:28 AM »
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their nanny government and wussy voters don't think so.



lol


Hey, beetle has already taught us that the average Brit can't multi-task.  He can't think and type at the same time.  hahahahahah


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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2003, 01:54:32 PM »
Originally posted by Dago
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Hey, beetle has already taught us that the average Brit can't multi-task. He can't think and type at the same time.


hmmm seems then the average American can't read :rolleyes:
originally posted by Dingbat
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I managed to get a look at the driver, sure enough on the Friggin cell phone, without hands-free


Originally posted by Sparks
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Yes I agree that holding a phone is a bad thing and I said that
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Ok so we all agree that holding the phone to your ear while driving is "A Bad Thing". Not going to argue that point.


Now on to Lazs ..... no it's not "illegal" to eat or drink in your car - read my post you may realise that - not illegal YET and thats the point.  Your right the wussy government don't think we are able but don't assume the "wussy voters" agree.  What these "wussy voters" are looking for is a real leader who deserves our vote.  The bunch of PC wasters we have on offer now are a disgrace to democracy.

And then comes the usual "holier than thou" final shot ......
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I have noticed a distinct difference between someone talking on the phone or to someone in person... in person... it is no big deal... on the phone... people seem to disconnect with the world around them... they glaze over either thinking or trying to picture the other persons face... people talking on the phone are really not there with the rest of us.... honest people will admit this.
insinuation of course that Lazs is honest and anyone who disagrees is a lying bastige............

I guess I'm a delusional lying bastige because I disagree with you - I can have a conversation on the phone as easily as with someone in the car.  However I've seen lots of manly non-wussy people who smoke nearly throw cars in ditches trying to light a cigarette with their elbows only on the wheel - oh and then drive one handed the whole time they smoke it.

Let me remind you that you big manly voters have elected your fair share of idiots and have your fair share of bizarre legislation - e.g. I lived in a state where you could drive a car at 16, carry a gun and kill people for your country at eighteen but apparently you're not safe with a drink until you're 21 ?????

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2003, 01:57:23 PM »
Sparks welcome to the nanny state.  They are putting training wheels on life.  The lowest common denominator rules.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2003, 02:09:12 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
in england I believe it is illegal to eat or drink in your car.   I don't know how they tune their radios or work their heaters over there but apparently they can't drink out of a sport top bottle and drive at the same time!   at least.... their nanny government and wussy voters don't think so.

as for the cell phones.... I have noticed a distinct difference between someone talking on the phone or to someone in person... in person... it is no big deal... on the phone... people seem to disconnect with the world around them... they glaze over either thinking or trying to picture the other persons face... people talking on the phone are really not there with the rest of us.... honest people will admit this.

lazs

except for the wussy comment i agree with you...there shouldent have to be laws against those sorts of things...common sense is common sense and the government shouldent have to define it...but theres always someone willing to become a darwin...

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2003, 02:23:22 PM »
Sparks
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oh and then drive one handed the whole time


So you drive with both hands on the wheel all the time? You consider not having both hands on the wheel a safety issue?

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2003, 02:27:39 PM »
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Sparks
 You said this  

So you drive with both hands on the wheel all the time? You consider not having both hands on the wheel a safety issue?


only if you dont have power assisted steering

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2003, 02:29:07 PM »
sooo.... it is not illeagal to eat and drink while driving in england?  

sparks... there is a difference between talking on the phone and talking to someone in person.  that's all there is to it.    

I would not make it illegal to talk on the phone while driving but it should be an insurance risk and any tickets you got while being on the phone should have the fines doubled or trippled.   If you kill someone or injure someone it should be admissable in court that you were impaired.

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