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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2003, 07:10:11 AM »
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American soldiers in Iraq apparetly like getting baby wipes...  :eek:


Use a porta-crapper for 6 months and you will understand why.

We actually didn't care too much for the 'Baby Wipe' brand name, too foo foo smelling.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2003, 07:12:47 AM »
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Use a porta-crapper for 6 months and you will understand why.

We actually didn't care too much for the 'Baby Wipe' brand name, too foo foo smelling.


Ahh, thanks for clarifying. I heard the baby wipes were popular gifts to troops but I never knew why.

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2003, 07:55:50 AM »
When you can only get a shower every 2 weeks or so, you'll clean the filth off with anything handy. We used to use the training version of the NBC Decon pack during Desert Storm. It's basically a big alcohol wipe, works great for getting the crust off the back of your neck.

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2003, 08:11:54 AM »
I'll see that it gets to them if you wanna send it through me. They prefer cash, large denominations.
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2003, 10:22:59 AM »
Raubvogel: When you can only get a shower every 2 weeks or so...

 That's your problem - you do not allow enough time for your body to adjust. In about 6 weeks you'd stop feeling filthy.

 Hristo,
 Russians are not such sissies as american soldiers - they can live without bath for months if not years.

 I would urge you not to send them wipes but if you do - make sure they are soaked with ethyl alcohol, not the other kinds. :D

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2003, 10:29:05 AM »
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 Russians are not such sissies as american soldiers - they can live without bath for months if not years.


And I bet they do. ;)

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2003, 10:29:10 AM »
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 Russians are not such sissies as american soldiers - they can live without bath for months if not years.

 


Well, it's nice to maintain the ability to sneak in on an enemy when he's either upwind or downwind.

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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2003, 10:35:08 AM »
Why remain filthy if you don't have to? Sounds like poor hygiene choices, not toughness.

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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2003, 11:05:34 AM »
Raubvogel: Why remain filthy if you don't have to? Sounds like poor hygiene choices, not toughness.

 In (real) military you get dirty five minutes after the shower. On the second day you start to itch unbearably and in a week you develop skin boils - for about six weeks, after which it goes away. Much like you stop noticing moskito bites or stop getting runs after drinking from a ditch.

 Washing every 2 weeks just ensures you are itching all the time and have boils all the time.

 Oh, yea - it gets easier after six weeks only for those sturdy fellows that did not die or got de-comissioned with utterly ruined health. But who needs weaklings in the army anyway? :)

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2003, 11:26:18 AM »
Typical story of discussing Army life with Americans. Both Russian and American guys served in the Army. Russian says that they didn't get any extra food, only one portion for everyone. American is amazed by the cruelty of Russian army system: "And if I want another glass of ORANGE JUICE!?"

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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2003, 11:38:07 AM »
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WOLVERIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINES!!!


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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2003, 01:34:54 PM »
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Raubvogel: Why remain filthy if you don't have to? Sounds like poor hygiene choices, not toughness.

 In (real) military you get dirty five minutes after the shower. On the second day you start to itch unbearably and in a week you develop skin boils - for about six weeks, after which it goes away.

 Washing every 2 weeks just ensures you are itching all the time and have boils all the time.
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You develop skin boils after a week?! Must be something in your genetic code, because we went as long as a month without a shower and I never heard anyone complain of skin boils.

Being forced to endure food and hygiene hardship because of poor logistic support has nothing to do toughness. But if that makes you feel better, oh well. We don't do it because we don't have to. You did it because you had no choice. Do you really think that makes those troops any "tougher?" To me it just means they were forced to endure unnecessary morale-lowering conditions. Just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2003, 02:11:54 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2003, 02:19:15 PM »
Raubvogel: You develop skin boils after a week?! Must be something in your genetic code, because we went as long as a month without a shower and I never heard anyone complain of skin boils.

 Fortunately, I personally did not. Being overactive child I had an inordinate amount of scraps and cuts compounded by dirt. I was also into mountain-climbing and hiking which is the closest civilian thing to the army life. Or maybe due to my genetic code.
But most of my comrades did devellop bad sores and boils - especially in the first months of cervice.

...we went as long as a month without a shower and I never heard anyone complain of skin boils.

 Which is understandable. The tendency to develop skin boils, infections and other immune problems is triggered by change in habits, environment and stress but it is greatly determined by nutrition. The better-fed a recruit was before service, the worse he tended to suffer in the first few months.
 Good food is greatly preferable to clean living.

Being forced to endure food and hygiene hardship because of poor logistic support has nothing to do toughness.

 Being forced to endure hardship certainly has nothing to do with toughness.
 Being able to survive being forced to endure hardship has everything to do with toughness.

 Do you really think that makes those troops any "tougher?"

 Mostly it just insures that those troops are tougher - though considerable amount of toughening does happen to those capable to survive the initial hardship.

 Imagine the whole bunch of young guys being thrown into a forest in sub-zero weather in wet clothes, without time or chance to sleep for days and with scarce and inferior food. How many of the regular US army grunts - not special forces - would not fall appart? Precious few. Among soviet grunts with more than 6 months of service it was nothing to write home about.

To me it just means they were forced to endure unnecessary morale-lowering conditions. Just my 2 cents.

 Unnecessary? That depends. If you want a guy to be ready to give his life for something he does not understand and be a vicious killer as well, you are much better making his life hell than plying him with orange juice and facials.

 We are talking about the draft army here, remember - something the US may yet experience. There was much less "moral decay" and disciplinary incidents among troops having the easy life than among those living in hellish conditions.
 They were definitely of much better use in Afghanistan.
 The technological superiority is great but when you need to put some troops with rifles on the ground, there may be not enough special forces guys to go around and the regular undertrained and pampered army grunts may be worth less than people were led to expect.

 miko
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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2003, 02:26:14 PM »
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Being forced to endure food and hygiene hardship because of poor logistic support has nothing to do toughness. But if that makes you feel better, oh well. We don't do it because we don't have to. You did it because you had no choice. Do you really think that makes those troops any "tougher?" To me it just means they were forced to endure unnecessary morale-lowering conditions. Just my 2 cents.


Well put,

I think they also call that leadership.