how do I send gifts to Russian troops in Chechnya ?'

[miko2d]

ygsmilo: Well put,

I think they also call that leadership.

 No. What you and Rab are saying is called meaningless BS propaganda. We had plenty of that too, so I have no problem recognising it.

 It does not change a reality however. The SF select the few people with specific personality types - warriors and killers who are very healthy. Those do not need or care for propaganda.
 The regular sissies that are drafter or recruites are worth nothing and no amount of propaganda would change that. You can make many of them into killers by radically changing their characters - by making them survive hell, which not all would be able to endure. Propaganda is worthless here though all successes can be - and are - attributed to it.

 miko

[1K0N]

Well geez we watched Rambo take out an entire russian division
with a sharp knife and Bow and arrow.. Rambo didn't have any boils that you could see!
 
IKON

[Raubvogel]

Oh, so providing proper care to your soldiers is now "meaningless BS propaganda?" That's gold, pure gold.

Every US Army leader is taught from the very beginning of their career that there are a few things that you should do your absolute best to provide to troops....mail, decent and adequate food, and a shower every now and then. You can call it "meaningless BS propaganda", we call it kindergarten-level leadership.

[fd ski]

It's a question of the number of people you have to put in the field.
If you enjoy superiority in numbers or technology then you should be able to provide your troops with some of those nessesities. However, if you are short of front line troops, having 7 REMF serving him hot food, shower and mail, isn't the brightest of the ideas. All the mail and food in the world won't save him if he gets overran, no matter what his morale is.

that being said, since WWII US always fought wars in settings where proper logistics could be arranged. This can be attributed to two things: american ingeniuity for organizaional logistics and huge funds.
unforntunatelly not ever army in the world has enough people, money or backing to do the same.

I also don't see how this relates to leadership in any way. Is this "leadership by providing confort" concept ?

[ygsmilo]

Originally posted by miko2d
ygsmilo: Well put,

I think they also call that leadership.

 No. What you and Rab are saying is called meaningless BS propaganda. We had plenty of that too, so I have no problem recognising it.

 It does not change a reality however. The SF select the few people with specific personality types - warriors and killers who are very healthy. Those do not need or care for propaganda.
 
 miko

As ususal you are relying on your experience in the worlds biggest horde (the Red Army) and trying to tell the rest of us how it is.  Russian leadership usually means lousy training and a liter of vodka,  do they still have the NKVD troops to "help" the morale?

Raub is a vet and he knows - Leadership makes an army.

[fd ski]

Originally posted by ygsmilo
As ususal you are relying on your experience in the worlds biggest horde (the Red Army) and trying to tell the rest of us how it is.  Russian leadership usually means lousy training and a liter of vodka,  do they still have the NKVD troops to "help" the morale?

Raub is a vet and he knows - Leadership makes an army.

Oh yes... walking example of Hollywood education...

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Hristo
just wonderin'

Just send it to their home address.  They don't spend much time in  Chechnya.  The Chechs don't allow it.

[Dago]

Russians are not such sissies as american soldiers - they can live without bath for months if not years.

Wow, they would smell just like the women!  


dago

[ygsmilo]

Originally posted by fd ski
Oh yes... walking example of Hollywood education...

Na fd,

just a student of history.

[ramzey]

Originally posted by ygsmilo
Na fd,

just a student of history.

hollywood propaganda history? ;-)

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by fd ski
Oh yes... walking example of Hollywood education...

Better than communist education.  

[ygsmilo]

Originally posted by ramzey
hollywood propaganda history? ;-)

Don't go Boroda on me

He still won't admit that good comrade Joe starved out the Ukrainians.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ygsmilo
Na fd,

just a student of history.

Please inform me when you'll graduate, so I'll stop wasting time on American "historical" literature.

You wrote:

As ususal you are relying on your experience in the worlds biggest horde (the Red Army) and trying to tell the rest of us how it is. Russian leadership usually means lousy training and a liter of vodka, do they still have the NKVD troops to "help" the morale?

JFYI: that "biggest horde" was the decisive force that have defeated nazis. And also, as a "student of history" you should know that it wasn't called "Red Army" since 1943.

Lousy training and a liter of vodka? Is this what they teach you in your "history" class? During the War vodka rations were 100g daily in infantry. Lousy training is to blame for victories in Stalingrad and Kursk. NKVD never acted like they were shown in "enemy at the gates" movie, they were catching deserters and dieing when used as a "last resort" to stop nazis.

Beautiful example of propaganda brainwashing. Illiterate always deadly-drunk Russians wearing fur-hats with red stars, on their "shaggy mounts" and with their pet polar bears. You must have been learning in a very good and expensive university.

This stupidity wasn't enough, so later you wrote:

He still won't admit that good comrade Joe starved out the Ukrainians.

Very clever. Especially if you don't know that I am half-Ukrainian. And that my Grand-Uncle died of typhus in 1933. As a student he was sent to the country and got infected. The rest of my family survived because Grandfather was a railway employee.

JFYI: Russian Empire suffered from hunger every 5-7 years. Bolsheviks stopped it, but the last starvation happened here in 1947.  14 years after that famous hunger in the Ukraine. Did they tell this to you on your "history" classes? Also I want to know what they said about why Stalin "starved" the Ukrainians. Probably because he was evil, bad and a horrible communist dictator? Any other reasons?

To Miko:

Как меня заебли эти теоретики военной подготовки, которые отказываются воевать если им не привезли мороженного...

Насчёт голода 33го года: брат моей бабушки умер от тифа, заразился в продотряде куда попал как студент Горного института... Голод, отягощённый эпидемей тифа... Интересно, почему никто не ставит в вину Сталину голод 22го года в Поволжье? Или голод 46-47 года? "Множатся преступения кровавого тирана народов Иосифа Сталина! Вчера к ним добавилось еще и ограбление пивного ларька!"...

Что особенно бесит - это что они говорят о вещах, которых в принципе не в состоянии понять. Им всю жизнь вколачивали в голову что коммунизм - плохо, Сталин - гад и бяка, русские - пьяные азиаты на мохноногих лошадках. И в отличие от нас - они во всё это верят и не подвергают сомнению. Идеальные советские граждане: раз по телеку сказали - значит правда. Я не любитель коммунистов, но надо же голову на плечах иметь..

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Martlet
Just send it to their home address.  They don't spend much time in  Chechnya.  The Chechs don't allow it.

Very clever. As usual.

Do you know that American daily losses in Iraq are already bigger then Soviet losses in Afghanistan?

I can disagree with your government, but I will never afford to say something like you did towards your soldiers dieing in Iraq.

So I only can advise you to please STFU. You already have shown many times that you are in love with terrorists, and the only way to keep looking clever is to keep silence.

[Saintaw]

(now we all know what Boroda smells like )