Author Topic: 57 hells angles arrested in "gang" raid.. (Read 3965 times)

Mini D · « **Reply #30 on:** December 04, 2003, 02:56:15 PM »

Ya... right lazs. The "what about them?!?" argument. You've already lost dude... just admit it and get on with life.

They're talking about 50 arrests here. You're the one making it out to be more than it is. You're the one making inner city gang control out to be less than it is. I honestly think you're fantasizing on this one.

MiniD

Dune · « **Reply #31 on:** December 04, 2003, 02:57:58 PM »

Lasz,

I'm no fan of the BATF, however, the HA's are not dinosaurs. They are a real drug-pushing, murdering, and dangerous group. Look at my post above to see some of the activities the Angels have been up to here in AZ.

And the drug they're pushing is meth. And meth doesn't need to be transported across the border. Meth is cooked right here in the US. Meth labs are everywhere. Gangs like the Angels still have a major stake in both production and distribution.

Besides, the question of the guns wasn't the type or number. The question is how many of those Angels had felony records making them prohibited possessors?

Another fact is that the Angels are easier to infiltrate than the New Eme or Sueranos.

Rude · « **Reply #32 on:** December 04, 2003, 03:08:24 PM »

and some of you guys are scared to death of the Patriot Act...lol

Creamo · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2003, 03:28:26 PM »

I don't fear it, im against it. Hitler was an *******.

midnight Target · « **Reply #34 on:** December 04, 2003, 03:37:40 PM »

Just checked out how those minority gangs are "ignored".

Raid on Death Row Records

or

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Those raids grew in number this year: In April, the unit and the Violent Gangs Task Force arrested three members of the 18th Street Gang in New Brunswick. In June, the state police and a task force of more than 100 law enforcers stormed a Crips stronghold in East Orange, resulting in the arrest of four ranking gang members on drug-dealing and possession charges. Another 19 suspected dealers or users were arrested. In October, another group of local, county, state and federal authorities raided the homes of a dozen alleged Latin King members throughout New Jersey after a state grand jury indicted them and another 29 on charges ranging from fencing to racketeering and kidnapping.

from http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,653541,00.html

Easy to find if you want to.

RightF00T · « **Reply #35 on:** December 04, 2003, 06:39:36 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster

I can't think of a single all-minority biker gang with the same scope and breadth of operation as the Hell's angels.

I can..

Gaylord · « **Reply #36 on:** December 04, 2003, 07:19:24 PM »

Creamo is such a dreamy name... I'd like to take him for a motorcycle ride on a bumpy road!

Thorns · « **Reply #37 on:** December 04, 2003, 10:11:14 PM »

Looks like Arnold just left his calling card...

Thorns

lazs2 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 05, 2003, 01:33:22 PM »

same point... the BATF is going after a group that they know are pretty harmless and that don't have any advocacy support.

I am sure that all of those arressted are felons and so are violating a law by owning firearms.... I don't think we need a nazi organization like the BATF to protect us tho..

The Rico act was created for biker gangs. get three felons together and you got a conspiracy... why aren't these gang members pulled over and all arrested for consorting at best? pull over a car full of minority gang members and I guarentee that most are felons... felons can't consort.

I am saying that the BATF is useless .and cowardly... Waste of money. Can anyone tell me when they ever earned their money? Arrested a bunch of dinasours for gun violations and a "small" amount of meth?

Dune... Hate to break it to you but the arizona crimes seem pretty small.... police should be able to handle that easily... Say you got rid of every oulaw biker.... How much meth traffic would that stop? None... they aren't making any significant amount... the mexican mafia would just have to run one more semi full across the border and get a few more distributors.... just get a little more powerful... don't see how that helps anyone.

lazs

Maniac · « **Reply #39 on:** December 05, 2003, 01:57:21 PM »

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the BATF is going after a group that they know are pretty harmless

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you trolling or what? even here in Sweden the Hells Angels are feared as hell.

They do alot of money in the drug trade, anabolics, alcohole, and getting people to pay debts....

Stop ****ting me Lazs.

Over here the rivals "Bandidos" used rocket launchers to attack the Hells Angels HQ...

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 05, 2003, 02:17:01 PM »

by harmless.... I meant harmless to the BATF.
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #41 on:** December 05, 2003, 02:36:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
You've already lost dude... just admit it and get on with life.

...and this is from the world expert on crime prevention and scooter locking.

Best to do as he says lazs...move on.

midnight Target · « **Reply #42 on:** December 05, 2003, 03:04:38 PM »

You're right... White Male extremist groups are in no way a danger to the ATF... it is simply Rediculous!

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 05, 2003, 03:15:11 PM »

deja... I am not familiar with the "what about them" arguement. perhaps you could enlighten those of us less well versed in.... in whatever that falls under.

MT... white supremist groups certainly can be a danger... The HA's are pretty small potatoes tho and my point was that such an expensive agency as the BATF should be going after gangs with memberships in the 10's of thousands... those happen to be black and hispanic gangs. My point is that they go after groups that can't hurt them physicaly or politicaly.... It is extremely PC to attack white extremist or even white gangs period and very risky and not PC to attack the much more dangerous and difficult black/hispanic gangs... I can't believe that you don't see that.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #44 on:** December 05, 2003, 03:19:41 PM »

Well I posted at least 3 examples of "them" going after Black or Hispanic gangs in the same way. I can't believe you missed that point.

You don't have a point unless there is a disparity in enforcement. I showed similar raids done on other gangs. The fact that 'they' went after the HA is not proof that they don't go after other gangs as well.

I think you are arguing for a straw man... but thats just me.