Author Topic: 57 hells angles arrested in "gang" raid.. (Read 3441 times)

lazs2 · « **on:** December 04, 2003, 10:40:07 AM »

from netscape news...
"However Kincaid said the case should help dispel the notion that the Hells Angels were harmless older men with beards who enjoyed riding motorcycles.

"If you have a Toys For Tots drive on the same day that you are cooking methamphetamine, which is your true persona?" Kincaid told a news conference. "I'm old too and I can probably be dangerous if I put my mind to it."

The Hells Angels, active back to the 1940s, have an estimated worldwide membership of 2,500, including chapters in Canada, Europe and Australia.

Their litany of misdeeds includes the stabbing death of a spectator at a 1969 Rolling Stones concert in Oakland, California, and a violent brawl and shootout at a Nevada casino in April 2002 during a motorcycle rally.

Three bikers were killed on a crowded casino floor in Laughlin and a fourth was fatally shot in the back hours later while riding on a nearby highway.

Authorities declined to say if any of the evidence seized was related to the Laughlin incident or if any of the weapons found could be tied to a crime."

is this bigotry? Maybe 400 members in the largest group... all white guys. criminal behavior pretty much unproven... most have jobs.. raid netted allmost nothing but.... it was risk free.... who's gonna stick up for a bunch of whiter supremists?

On the other hand.... black and hispanic (where the hell is hispain?) gangs have upwards to 30,000 members in the largest groups and are allmost all unemployed.... have long criminal records and, a large percentage are even illegal aliens but.... it is not safe to harrass them.

is this a perfect example of why political correctness is wrong?
lazs

Rude · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2003, 10:48:30 AM »

It's our fault Lazs....we let them have too much power unchecked.

midnight Target · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2003, 10:51:26 AM »

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On the other hand.... black and hispanic (where the hell is hispain?) gangs have upwards to 30,000 members in the largest groups and are allmost all unemployed.... have long criminal records and, a large percentage are even illegal aliens but.... it is not safe to harrass them.

Load of crap Lazs.

Did you follow the story of the Burbank Police officer that was shot and killed? Did you note that over 50 members of the HISPANIC gang the perp belonged to were arrested for "questioning", including his parents and brother.

Try not wearing those blinders so much.

gofaster · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2003, 10:57:48 AM »

I noticed that they also seized black leather vests as evidence. WTF? Was there blood splatter evidence on those vests or what? The photo I saw was a vest displayed by a sheriff's office, sitting out in the open air. If that vest had forensic evidence on it, it would be plastic-bagged and labelled. I can't help but wonder if there was a political motivation here. Why else would you display Hell's Angels vests for the benefit of photographers? Right about now is when various organizations start their toy drives. Hmmm.

Californa branch. New governator. Hmmm.

Nice display of firearms. What's with the Hell's Angels framed club banner, though?

According to Yahoo's news story the investigation focused on firearms and drugs, including some stolen military explosives. Ok, I can see that, but what's with displaying the evidence out in the open air? I can see the defense attorney jumping all over a defense of contaminated evidence and gun shot residue transferance.

I'm sure the biker gang had it coming, but the political angle is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

Dune · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2003, 11:07:00 AM »

This wasn't a fishing expedition.

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Raids here were synchronized with Hells Angels Motorcycle Club arrests in at least four other states. A grand jury in Nevada indicted 42 suspects, and California officials announced at least 38 arrests and dozens of searches as part of the two-year probe. There also were busts in Alaska and Washington. No violence was reported.

Among the Arizona suspects, at least two face a possible death penalty for murder, and most could be sentenced to life if convicted, according to Michael Kemp, a federal prosecutor handling the case.

Besides allegations of narcotics and firearms violations, some defendants are accused in connection with a bloody casino shootout among Mongols and Hells Angels at the bikers' Laughlin River Run last year.

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Especially in Arizona, the Hells Angels have been beleaguered by three years of violent incidents and law enforcement crackdowns. Among the events:

• In June 2001, the president and vice president of the club's Nomad chapter in Arizona were indicted for methamphetamine smuggling with leaders of the biker gang in South Africa and Massachusetts. Greg Surdukan, 51, and Chris Baucum, 50, both of Phoenix, were convicted and sentenced to prison.

• On April 22, 2002, a brawl between Hells Angels and Mongol gangs at Harrah's Casino in Laughlin ended with three dead and a dozen injured. Calvin Shaffer, 33, a Chandler member of Hells Angels, was arrested on suspicion of murder, but that charge was dropped. He is among the defendants in the new indictment.

• In March, Daniel "Hoover" Seybert, president of the Cave Creek chapter, was gunned down outside a north Phoenix bar. The new indictment does not contain charges linked to that homicide, which remains under investigation.

• During the Arizona raids in July, three dozen suspects were arrested and 35 searches conducted to culminate an investigation of gun-running, murder for hire and drug dealing. One Hells Angels associate was shot by police serving a warrant at the Cave Creek chapter.

Kemp said the new indictment accuses two defendants, Kevin Augustiniak and Paul Eischeid, in the October 2001 slaying of Cynthia Garcia, whose body was found at Usery Pass in the East Valley. Augustiniak, in custody on unrelated charges, was identified as a full member of the Mesa chapter. Eischeid, a prospect, was arrested Wednesday and appeared in federal court wearing a Hells Angels t-shirt.

Both from The Arizona Republic

Most likely this was an investigation that had been going on for some time. You don't bring down this much heat unless you've got your ducks in some decent type of row.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 04, 2003, 11:20:06 AM »

Look at those guns! LOL one looks like a musket! I wonder how many are truly "illegal"?

gofaster · « **Reply #6 on:** December 04, 2003, 11:25:21 AM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Look at those guns! LOL one looks like a musket! I wonder how many are truly "illegal"?

I was thinking the same thing. Looks like they went on a shopping spree at Wal-Mart or The Sports Authority.

Creamo · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2003, 11:46:43 AM »

Every "Gang" "Biker" party I have ever attended in Wisconsin was a bunch of 40 something guys that made over 70K per year in tax paying jobs and are just like flightsim groups, but they have a more structured organiziation, with way better assests and ideas for "CONS.". (Strippers are a norm)

Sure, they had vests on, and bikes that costs more than computers, but they at least served beer and brats and raised money for better bands and better beer tent rentals too. Oooo, a scary bunch.

Janet Reno should or would have their clubhouse burned down rather than arrest individuals in the act that like any society F up should be.

And that weapon collection is a joke.

midnight Target · « **Reply #8 on:** December 04, 2003, 11:50:50 AM »

Poor misunderstood bikers.

They are just trying to help people stay up longer and be more productive. Maybe they should be part of Bush's economic recovery plan.

Creamo · « **Reply #9 on:** December 04, 2003, 11:56:22 AM »

MT, amazed at road signs on his trip out of his sheltered daff life inputs more liberal opinion.

Do you see why we laugh at you? It's not becuase someone may not like you, your just such a unknowing avacado.

No offense.

midnight Target · « **Reply #10 on:** December 04, 2003, 11:59:46 AM »

Creamo tries to maintain his "too hip for the room" persona yet only succeeds in looking trite.

No offense.

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2003, 12:04:41 PM »

MT... ya gotta admit... they have a pretty pitiful criminal record.... what ? maybe a dozen killed since 1969? how many have black gangs killed just by being the worst shots on the planet? Not to mention the ones they actually intended to kill.....

meth? LOL ... the mexican gangs are bringing the stuff across the border in semi trucks! Biker gangs can't produce enough to support themselves anymore... they aren't even a significant part of the problem...

Imagine if they took down black or hispanic gang members and had a huge press conference in the open air.... maybe take some pieces of walls and billboards with grafitti on em out there for the display along with the head rags and other paraphanalia...

biker gangs don't spray paint all over the walls with thier racist crap like black and hispanic gangs.

lazs

Mini D · « **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2003, 12:05:36 PM »

Those poor persecuted hell's angels.

MiniD

lazs2 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2003, 12:10:13 PM »

Oh... and MT... part of any economic recovery plan should be to go after the black and hispanic gangs... they are wasting time and resources on what is left of the biker gang dinasours.

when I was part of that scene in the day.... I agreed that the smart thing to do was to take us down... Now... it is the safe and meaningless thing to do.

the ATF lacks any relevance. they lack courage and are useless. They go after groups like Waco and hells angles fer chrissakes when the fact is.... they are afraid and powerless to even enter the areas where the real rot is.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #14 on:** December 04, 2003, 12:12:10 PM »

Lazs,

We could argue who is the worst all day. The Black gangs of LA and vicinity have come close to ruining the lives of an entire generation in their neighborhoods. The Hells Angels especially down here near Fontana, CA where they were founded have a stranglehold on the Meth trade. I know this from past experience and former stupidity.

My issue was with your contention that these poor White bikers were being singled out while the minority gangs are never hasseled.. just not true.