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[funked]

Don't forget La-7 and Yak-3 VK-107.  

[Kronos]

hmmm... a LW plane that matches p51?

I can match almost any p51 pilot in AH in my 109g10 1 v 1 .... except maniac  

i have bested many o' them.. co alt and from disadvantage alt

Kronos

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Kronos:

I can match almost any p51 pilot in AH in my 109g10 1 v 1 .... except maniac  

Kronos

You said it...1 v 1.
As arena plane P51D is the best plane hands down

[Kronos]

that's not because of the plane RAM,
that's the pilot... he can make that plane do just about anything... including things I SWEAR that plane wasnt meant to do :-)

Kronos

[Zigrat]

RAM is right,

I have been flying the g10 alot the past 2 days, and wwhile i like it very much as a plane, i got many many assists and kills "stolen" from me in it. With the amount of ammo and hitting power that it has (compared to a pony) You must wait for very good shots instead of taking them when you have them. This leads to Me working up to a con 200 feet of the deck, trying to get him to waste that last drop of e so i can close to 50 yards for my wsingle 30mm shell, when down swoops someone else and kills him.

Or, if i fly with the 20mm, ill fo example smoke the guys engine, or knock off an elevator, where he is easy meat, but cannot finish him off in time (again, because of anemic guns) so another person swoops in.

High speed handling is also a problem in teh g10, pony drivers can just dive to 600 MPH and teh g10 cannot follow.


That is why the msutang the better arena plane, hands down.

1on1 is of course different, ill agree the g10 is better, since those negatives of the g10 don't show up as much. Also, when flying with buddies who wont steal kills and such (<S>sox,pongo,soda,ryddlin,dogfighter,drill,ra,mathman,wolf,bloom,caveman,towd,etcera etcera) these problems arent so apparent either, since they will let you work a guy down and kill him, and keep ya clear. But, if a kill hungry knit happens to be around, well, you ain't gettin no kills in the g10.

[Hajo]

Ok....The D9 was designed as a high alt bomber escort interceptor, the 109s' used to engage the scorts leaving hopefully the 190s to engage the buffs with their firepower.  The D9 could hold it's own with the P-51D and could engage both scorts and the buffs.  Some D9s' had 30mm cannons also.  I know service ceiling etc. have bearing on top speeds.  Reference papers I've read about the D9 put top speed at around 440mph.  P-51D in the vicinity of 430mph.  Also I've read about the steel quality in landing gear of the D9 being poor, same for the NiK1.  But lets also remember the Packard Merlin was a very finicky power plant.  Pony Pilots often complained about the inconsistant performance of the Merlin.....spits had the same problems, those that used the Merlin oft times didn't know if they were flying a "dog" that day, or a race horse.

[Hajo]

Robert Johnson stated the reason why P-51 pilots did so well cause all the good and experienced Luft pilots were either dead or injured by the P-47, this could entirely be true since the P-51D was a late war entry, circa 1944.

Originally posted by milnko:
I fly the 190A-5 alot, and Sometimes the YAK,  in fact we were talking last night about the time frames that these planes were released in, and we came to the conclusion that we need a Rolling Planeset, as the 190's are by far outclassed by the late war American Planes. Although I can understand them Runstangs and JUGhead drivers not wanting any serious competition, which explains thier disparaging remarks toward the 190D.

Speaking of Things that need to be "adjusted" or at least put under a microscope and examined.....

What up with the ack at bases, they have a rate of fire that would have melted the barrels of real guns, and they don't have a pause at all for reload, kinda reminds me of them old Westerns, where ya never see the hero reload..........

[Hajo]

From material I've read on the G model 109s' they required constant high power setting and were a bear to fly.  I fly the G-10 quite frequently and load up the two 20mm cannons , along with the 30mm.  I've found this helpful in somewhat forestalling compression problems in high speed nose down maneuvers, also with the three cannons the G10 saws wings off on a regular basis.  Use the throttle a lot to moderate speed and take advantage of the 109s' maneuverability.

Originally posted by Zigrat:
RAM is right,

I have been flying the g10 alot the past 2 days, and wwhile i like it very much as a plane, i got many many assists and kills "stolen" from me in it. With the amount of ammo and hitting power that it has (compared to a pony) You must wait for very good shots instead of taking them when you have them. This leads to Me working up to a con 200 feet of the deck, trying to get him to waste that last drop of e so i can close to 50 yards for my wsingle 30mm shell, when down swoops someone else and kills him.

Or, if i fly with the 20mm, ill fo example smoke the guys engine, or knock off an elevator, where he is easy meat, but cannot finish him off in time (again, because of anemic guns) so another person swoops in.

High speed handling is also a problem in teh g10, pony drivers can just dive to 600 MPH and teh g10 cannot follow.


That is why the msutang the better arena plane, hands down.

1on1 is of course different, ill agree the g10 is better, since those negatives of the g10 don't show up as much. Also, when flying with buddies who wont steal kills and such (<S>sox,pongo,soda,ryddlin,dogfighter,drill,ra,mathman,wolf,bloom,caveman,towd,etcera etcera) these problems arent so apparent either, since they will let you work a guy down and kill him, and keep ya clear. But, if a kill hungry knit happens to be around, well, you ain't gettin no kills in the g10.

[Zigrat]

109 performs like crap with gondolas. they were for buff hunting, only. a pony manouvers much much better than 109 with gondolas.

[funked]

Hajo now I wonder how all those experienced Luftwaffe pilots got injured or dead?  Did they have fall in the shower or have car accidents?  No - they got their butts spanked by the USAAF and RAF and VVS.

[Hajo]

Again, here is where speed is important.  Even though I've loaded gondolas, if, and I stress if, the pony is high speed, and they usually are, being of a slower speed in the 109G at this point does give you the edge in rate of turn, speed being the key.  Not 400 mph or even 300, 275 to 250 is great, and turning out of harms way is much easier, the pony will turn wider if he sustains the turn because of his greater speed, if he choses to zoom by and up....this gives you the opportunity to set up a head on possibly on the next "jink" and a nasty suprise to find 3 cannons on the 109.  Head ons are not preferable, but in this case best chance scenario if pony higher to start.

Originally posted by Zigrat:
109 performs like crap with gondolas. they were for buff hunting, only. a pony manouvers much much better than 109 with gondolas.

[Hajo]

Funked, yup, they got spanked <G> and I'm glad too! <G>But we're really comparing apples to oranges here in respect to rotation etc.  Luftwaffe pilots flew if they could breathe <G>  They didn't get rotated out, they flew until they couldn't.  They had no choice in the matter.  Also, remember they flew at a great disadvantage as far as numbers go, fuel shortages etc.  Look up some of their records.  You'll find the Luftwaffe was a very formidable opponent.  I don't quite recall any allied pilots getting 50 kills, let alone kills in the hundreds.  I just give credit to where credit is due.  And respect their achievements with all the disadvantages they had. And I'm also glad my father returned from the battle in Italy in one piece!  It's a shame we have no memorial to our WW2 Vets, our truly greatest generation.QUOTE]Originally posted by funked:
Hajo now I wonder how all those experienced Luftwaffe pilots got injured or dead?  Did they have fall in the shower or have car accidents?  No - they got their butts spanked by the USAAF and RAF and VVS.[/QUOTE]

[funked]

I agree Hajo.  

[Hazed]

funcked we killed em but also a lot were killed in ill conceived groundattacks using experienced high altitude fighter pilots and in testing their own damn planes  

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

You are right about the G10 firepower issue I get so many assists in that thing but I love its flight characteristics. Sometimes I wonder if the MG-131s ever do any damage at all as it seems the only weapon that works is the 30mm.

GRUNHERZ