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« on: December 06, 2003, 12:46:43 PM »
MIRAMAR, Fla., Dec. 4 — As far as some Florida parents are concerned, first-grade teacher Geneta Codner is a true grinch after she told her class that Santa Claus was “make-believe.”

      SANDRA JOLLY said her 6-year-old son’s Christmas was spoiled when the substitute teacher made the statement in class on Monday.
       “He had this sad, lost puppy dog look on his face. This unhappy, empty look,” Jolly said. “He said his teacher informed the entire class that Santa is make-believe.”
       D.J.’s teacher was reading a story about the Tooth Fairy when the class started discussing what was real and what was not, said district spokesman Joe Donzelli.
       When the subject of Santa came up, the teacher started questioning parts of his story — How could a fat jolly man fit down a chimney? How could reindeer fly around the world in one night? — and told the children that wasn’t possible.  
 
       “It’s all been blown out of proportion,” Codner said. “I’m sorry (parents) think I meant it that way. We were just having a discussion. I don’t know where all this hurt came from.”
       The teacher said none of the children acted upset or sad during class.
       
       But Jolly and others disagree.
       “How do you destroy a 6-year-old like that?” said Pam Sturt, whose son Bradley is in D.J.’s class.
       Donzelli said the school’s principal “had a real stern conversation” with the teacher. But there will be no written reprimand because she did not violate any school district policy.
       “We have no Santa clause,” Donzelli said. “We would think that teachers would use better judgment.”  



I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I grew up in an agnostic/ Jewish household, and never believed in any fat guys, rabbits or fairies. Gifts were always from family members, even when my friends assured me they were from magical entities. I never minded that and things turned out fine. Now, however, I  have two nephews, age 4 and 7, who are growing in very different surroundings. I think that they too will be fine but I soemtimes wonder how and when they're going to come upon the truth about childhood myths. Most kids, I hope, figure things out on their own. Many do get the bad news from older children or adults... Is there any inherent trauma to be associated with this dawning of reality? Can that mother that was quoted honestly believe that prematurely letting a young child in on the harsh truth actually damage that child in some way? Seems a bit overzealous to me. Perhaps the trauma in this case is felt more by the parents because they weren't the ones spilling the beans about Santa.

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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2003, 01:03:58 PM »
It would have been nice of the teacher to understand that kids these ages still believe in Santa because that is usually what their parents want them to believe.
The Teacher should have been diplomatic and sidestepped the Santa issue.
However, in this 'lets sue everything and everybody to get rich' day and age, kids learning about Santa not being real is not going to traumatize them.
Seems the parents crying about "destroying" their kids are just looking for some excuse probably to sue.
LOL, I haven't seen any cases where criminals blame their childhood on when they found out about Santa being fake as being the reason they turned to criminal activity.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2003, 01:19:57 PM »
The whole Santa issue should be left to the parents.  I'm not surprised that parents are upset by this teacher's actions.  But it sure isn't a legal issue...if anyone goes to court over this I will :rolleyes: a whole lot.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2003, 02:11:55 PM »
what.... no santa
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2003, 06:01:13 PM »
there should be magic in childhood.

otherwise you end up a liberal and posting in this BBS.

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2003, 06:02:45 PM »
Or you end up being a gun lobbyist and you shoot him as he comes down the chimney 'cos you think he's a burglar ;)

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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2003, 06:25:40 PM »
LOL, she was having a "discussion" with first graders?
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2003, 07:07:53 PM »
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Santa is a product of the Coca-Cola Company.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2003, 09:10:21 PM »
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there should be magic in childhood.

otherwise you end up a liberal and posting in this BBS.

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Who's the liberal?

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2003, 05:40:15 AM »
Good heavens! Imagine a teacher telling the truth and promoting rational thought!

Burn her! Pretty soon her work, if it continues, will make religious and political indoctrination so much harder. We might have to abuse our kids excessively to mold them into what we want them to be if she continues this work!

And I'm real. It's doable coz I got a FW-190D9 and I break a lot of chimneys.

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2003, 10:23:10 AM »
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Good heavens! Imagine a teacher telling the truth and promoting rational thought!
 

THEY WERE 6 YEARS OLD.

wtf is wrong with you? This is clearly something that is up to a parent to decide, not some dumb ****ing teacher.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2003, 10:38:03 AM »
If he comes down the chimney you won't have to shoot him cause he won't be able to get past the damper.

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2003, 12:29:51 PM »
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Originally posted by StSanta
Good heavens! Imagine a teacher telling the truth and promoting rational thought!

Burn her! Pretty soon her work, if it continues, will make religious and political indoctrination so much harder. We might have to abuse our kids excessively to mold them into what we want them to be if she continues this work!

And I'm real. It's doable coz I got a FW-190D9 and I break a lot of chimneys.



I have a 6 year old.  I would have had her a**.   You are an a**.  This has nothing to do with religion, this has to do with the mindset of a young mind, in the idea of fanciful belief.  

You know, children grow up into cynical adults faster and faster.  The time that they have as innocents is so short, made even shorter by some of the cruelty in the world.  I love seeing my son get excited about a cheap Mall Santa.  To him he represents the spirit of the season.  If it wasn't for Danny I probably would  be just as cynical and depressing as you are.  There wouldn't be lights on the home, there wouldn't be stockings on the mantle, heck I probably wouldn't put up a tree.  

I hope you don't have young children.  I would hate to see what kind of cynical adults they will turn into.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2003, 01:40:54 PM »
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I have a 6 year old.  I would have had her a**.   You are an a**.  This has nothing to do with religion, this has to do with the mindset of a young mind, in the idea of fanciful belief.  

You know, children grow up into cynical adults faster and faster.  The time that they have as innocents is so short, made even shorter by some of the cruelty in the world.  I love seeing my son get excited about a cheap Mall Santa.  To him he represents the spirit of the season.  If it wasn't for Danny I probably would  be just as cynical and depressing as you are.  There wouldn't be lights on the home, there wouldn't be stockings on the mantle, heck I probably wouldn't put up a tree.  

I hope you don't have young children.  I would hate to see what kind of cynical adults they will turn into.


Don't answer idiocy with more idiocy, Klink. You thank your young son for a fresh new perspective. Good. Maybe a child is exactly what this other dude needs to lose some of that alleged cynicism.  Personally, I think that the holidays don't require all the ritualistic  hoopla. Understanding the concepts of giving and gratitude and the wealth of family is just enough, no matter what age you are.

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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2003, 01:45:52 PM »
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LOL, she was having a "discussion" with first graders?


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