Bad Taste Trimphant

[Sapphire]

Originally posted by Barney Fife
I don't care what you say, Slayer rocks!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Shuckins
According to one news source, none of the nominees for this years Grammy Awards were traditional musicians.  All the "artists" that were nominated were either hip-hop, rap, etc.

The country is doomed.

Despondently, Shuckins

Your news source is as wrong as your conclusion.

In the General Field, nominees for Album Of The Year include Under Construction by Missy Elliott, Fallen by Evanescence, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below by Outkast, Justified by Justin Timberlake, and Elephant by The White Stripes. Nominees for Record Of The Year include "Crazy In Love" (Beyoncé Featuring Jay-Z), "Where Is The Love?" (Black Eyed Peas and Justin Timberlake), "Clocks" (Coldplay), "Lose Yourself" (Eminem), and "Hey Ya" (Outkast). The Best New Artist nominees are rock group Evanescence, rapper 50 Cent, alt-pop group Fountains Of Wayne, R&B vocalist Heather Headley, and dancehall DJ/artist Sean Paul. Finally, Song Of The Year nominees include songwriters Linda Perry for "Beautiful" (performed by Christina Aguilera), Richard Marx and Luther Vandross for "Dance With My Father," Avril Lavigne and The Matrix (Lauren Christy, Graham Edwards and Scott Spock) for "I'm With You," Jorge Calderón and Warren Zevon for "Keep Me In Your Heart," and Jeff Bass, Marshall Mathers (aka Eminem) and Luis Resto for "Lose Yourself."

http://www.grammy.com/press/press_releases/2003/1204a.aspx

[Rude]

Originally posted by midnight Target
wrong again...

"No time for romantic escape,
When your fluffy heart is ready for rape." - Genesis 1971

Symbolic, not literal....nice try.

If you're trying to say that todays hip hop or rap is the same as LZ, you wasting your time....the only commonality would be that both genre's are born out of their respective enviroments and time in history.

In the world of words and music, I lean toward the music side as I'm a guitar player of 30 years....musically, rap and hip hop are grossly disqualified...imho of course:)

[Ripsnort]

MT and Sandman defending Racist music, whats the world coming to?

http://home.att.net/%7Ephosphor/index.html

The Violent Racism of Ice Cube
      Imagine a white country-western singer performing lyrics that call on whites to torture and kill blacks, and imagine him rising to fame with backing from major record labels. The image is not believable. If a white singer tried to build a career today by spewing out violently racist lyrics, the outcry would be immediate and overwhelming, with denunciations, pickets, and perhaps even violence at music stores. The double standards of the entertainment industry are such, however, that viciously racist lyrics do become popular when the artist is black.

      For the past ten years now, the major music companies have promoted the black rapper Ice Cube who writes or performs lyrics that call for the killing of whites. Released late in the year after the 1992 Los Angeles Riots, The Predator album seethes with a tone of wild empowerment and describes the riots as righteous acts. Death threats are issued at the white police officers who participated in the beating of Rodney King, at the jurors who acquitted the officers, and at whites in general. The title track issues forth:

"Riots ain't nothing but diets for the system. Fighting with the Beast, 'no justice, no peace'. . . Niggas are sick of your white man tricks, with no treating us right. Now it's on, on sight. . . . Farrakhan for president of white America. . . . Put my chrome* to your dome*, watch it bust like a cantaloupe. . . . So who's Ice Cube? I'm a rapper, actor, macker. Got a little problem with the redneck cracker."

      The caveat that follows is printed on pamphlets inserted into The Predator CD's: "Ice Cube wishes to acknowledge white America's continued commitment to the silence and oppression of black men. . . . White America needs to thank black people for still talkin' to them 'cause you know what happens when we stop."

      Ice Cube fills his lyrics with the beliefs held by members and followers of Nation of Islam, the Chicago-based black group which has mosques in cities across the nation. The group's doctrine was built from racial interpretations of the Koran and the Bible, and it included the book called Message to the Blackman in America in which Elijah Muhammad, the group's founder, proclaimed that whites, or "devils" as they are often referred to in the book, would be annihilated in racial Armageddon. First printed in 1965, Nation of Islam uses the book today as its founding doctrine. Louis Farrakhan, the group's vocally racist leader, has an ability to get millions of blacks to listen to him, as demonstrated in the 1995 Million Man March. Some prominent black leaders such as former NAACP head Ben Chavis show allegiance to Nation of Islam. Many black leaders and ministers such as Jesse Jackson demonstrate a reluctance to denounce the extremist group and instead show a willingness to cooperate with it.

      Becoming a follower of Nation of Islam by 1991, Ice Cube begins a 1993 track called "Enemy" with a speech by Khallid Muhammad in which the Nation of Islam officer scoffs at racial integration and refers to whites as the "enemy." Ice Cube continues the track with indoctrinations about racial Armageddon, and he sees a need for blacks to assist Allah in killing off the whites: "When God give the word me herd like the buffalo, through your neighborhood. Watch me blast*, drive up your past, getting that ass." When blacks commit crimes against whites, the rapper commands, they are "putting in work for Master Farad Muhammad," the man of light complexion who, as Elijah Muhammad relates in his book, originally taught him the Nation of Islam doctrine during the 1930's in Detroit, Michigan. Master Farad's real name was W. D. Fard, and he disappeared during the 1930's. Ice Cube advises blacks to be up close to whites when shooting them: "don't bust 'till you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin, the whites of his lies." Nation of Islam professes that 1555 marked the beginning of whites enslaving blacks in America, and that shortly after 400 years, God would free the blacks in racial Armageddon. In the 1960's, Elijah Muhammad gave 1965 as the beginning of the final conflict. On the 1993 "Enemy" track, Ice Cube gave 1995 as the ominous date: "After 1995 not one dev[il] will be alive. . . . 1995, Elijah is alive, Louis Farrakhan, NOI*, Bloods* and CRIPS* and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy." Elijah Muhammad would have to have risen from the dead in 1995 for he died in 1975. Nation of Islam's doctrines uphold that Farad Muhammad was Allah in human form and that Elijah Muhammad was a prophet. Ice Cube upholds the following on the "Enemy" track: "I know that Farrakhan is your baby Jesus."

      The pamphlets inserted into the 1991 Death Certificate CD, in fact, show a photograph of Ice Cube standing and reading a copy of Nation of Islam's newspaper, The Final Call. The weekly newspaper's title refers to the final warning God gives in order to get blacks to pledge to Nation of Islam doctrines just before the onset of racial Armageddon. In the background of the photograph, looking ominous behind Ice Cube, stand members of Nation of Islam's security force, the so-called Fruit of Islam. On the pamphlet Ice Cube recruits: "The best place for a young black male or female is the Nation of Islam."

      Ice Cube puts onto CD's his ideas of violence directed at law enforcement officers and white officers are singled out. In "U Ain't Gonna Take My Life," the rapper threatens: "whoopee sheriff* can't wait to tear him a chunk of a nigga ass. But watch a nigga blast* and get a white nigga fast." He magnifies his personal commitment to his cause by placing himself in the song: "Just because you gotta badge did you think Ice Cube was gonna wave the white flag? Cracker, please." Ice Cube cannot hold in his violently racist fantasies: "when I saw Rodney* it got me so hot it made me wanna go out and pop me a cop." In the song the rapper refers to his own face as "the face of the original man," referring to Nation of Islam's belief that blacks were the original race on earth. On his 1991 track "The Wrong Nigga To **** Wit," the Los Angeles rapper says that he will shoot off the head of former Los Angeles police chief Darryl Gates if the rapper catches him in a traffic jam.

      The only common target besides whites and law enforcement officers is black men, in particular and most often those men who are rival rappers or drug dealers. In some songs drug dealers or gangbangers are threatened because the rapper views them as a detriment to predominantly black communities, yet in other songs either the same types are described matter-of-factly without faulting them or the rapper glorifies himself to be a drug dealer. Occasionally the lyrics attempt to persuade listeners that blacks who act too much like whites should be killed. Demeaning references to women are commonly made, and sometimes the rapper voices threats at them. In "You Can't Fade Me" Ice Cube raps that he is thinking about shooting a woman in the head who tried to trap him falsely as the father of her child in order to make him pay for child support. In "Cave *****" white women are degraded and he suggests that blacks should kidnap white women and hold them for ransom. Demeaning synonyms for female are thrown at men also, as are derogatory synonyms for homosexual. Homosexuals, although rarely pointed at by the rapper, are threatened in "Enemy" and in a few lines of "You & Your Heroes," the later being a song that claims black entertainers and athletes are superior to white ones; however, in both songs being white overrides being homosexual as the reason for targeting. Violence directed at white Jews occurs in one phrase of one song called "No Vaseline," and at white Christians it occurs in many phrases of several songs including "When I Get To Heaven."

      The proliferation of Ice Cube's violently racist lyrics among millions of consumers is ensured by all major music retailers and by mainly one distributor, the music giant EMI Group PLC of the United Kingdom. The EMI Group's subsidiary, EMI Music Distribution, has manufactured and shipped all along for Priority Records, the company that has marketed over 11 million of the artist's CD's (SoundScan ®). Key titles spread around by the Priority/EMI Group team are AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (1990), Death Certificate (1991), The Predator (1992), Lethal Injection (1993), Bootlegs & B-Sides (1994), and Planet of da Apes (1994). Time Warner labels Elektra and Eastwest originally handled Guerillas in tha Mist. Viacom's MTV promotes Ice Cube in music videos. If not in stock, consumers can order the titles through any retail store.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
MT and Sandman defending Racist music, whats the world coming to?

http://home.att.net/%7Ephosphor/index.html

Ice Cube was nominated for a Grammy? Damn, I didn't even know he had a CD out.

-Sik

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
MT and Sandman defending Racist music, whats the world coming to?
 

You think so? Show me.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Ice Cube was nominated for a Grammy? -Sik

I don't believe that he was. I don't see his name anywhere in the Grammy article for 2003.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Your news source is as wrong as your conclusion.

[Saurdaukar]

This isnt holding my attention after 10 pages of stripper fun.

[Sandman]

You're going to have to do better than that, Rip.

[Furious]

Don't expect what you won't get Sandman.

[hyena426]

country is doomed,,unless they get there head out of there butts and look for talent instead of good looks,,lol,,most country stars now are about the look and no talent,,all the old country stars had ruff looks and some with big bellies like charlie dannels,,,,now days there confused,,,,most of them look like buffed muscle men from wwf<~~its all disco country now

i prefer heavy metal,,but some of the country tunes carried a good beat and great lerics,,,,now days country all sounds the same,,allways singing about there first beer,,helping there dad,,,{on and on},,no edge to it at all anymore,,,country people use to be rebels,,,now there just fake,,alot of the hard core country people are switching music,,new stuff is just too whimpy

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by hyena426
country is doomed,,unless they get there head out of there butts and look for talent instead of good looks,,lol,,most country stars now are about the look and no talent,,all the old country stars had ruff looks and some with big bellies like charlie dannels,,,,now days there confused,,,,most of them look like buffed muscle men from wwf<~~its all disco country now

i prefer heavy metal,,but some of the country tunes carried a good beat and great lerics,,,,now days country all sounds the same,,allways singing about there first beer,,helping there dad,,,{on and on},,no edge to it at all anymore,,,country people use to be rebels,,,now there just fake,,alot of the hard core country people are switching music,,new stuff is just too whimpy

Thats why theres a separate catagory, its called "New Country".

[hyena426]

yup,,,new country,,ewwwwwwwwwww,,lol


its all you get to see now,,i bet a classic country video network would do better than cmt right now,,last time i seen ctm,,was some cowboy with girls on harley's dancing nasty{which was great} i was thinking didnt motley crew allready do that?,,lol and shouldnt that be in a rock video? leather jackets and chicks in leather mini's<~~was the only good part of the video,,but it didnt sell me on buying any of there music,,song totaly sucked


slayer does rock and shouldnt even be in the same catagory as white snake,, totaly 2 diffrent styles,,like mixing mustard with ice cream ewwwwwwwwww,,lol lots of 80's tunes are great,,some of my fav metal songs from the 80's and 90's,i like a little of every type of style my self,,i lean more to the heavy stuff,,but i can handle lising to most rap,,classics and country,,,but i cant handle either style of music for too long,,i dont like burning out a good song like the radio does:)

[Staga]

One word:Rammstein.