Author Topic: Battlefield Vietnam (Read 1364 times)

Airhead · « **Reply #15 on:** December 08, 2003, 11:22:23 PM »

davidpt40, if Raub shows proof will you leave and never come back?

Raubvogel · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:12:43 AM »

Don't need that stuff all over the intardnet

Roscoroo · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:30:27 AM »

Ding !!!

Raubvogel

I wonder if he wants to try for another aircraft ive got HC / AC-130's, WC 135's, HH-53's, and T 39's on my DD 214

Raubvogel · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:35:09 AM »

Well, I've also got AH-1G, AH-1S, OH-58A/C, OH-58D, UH-60A, UH-60L, AH-64A, so I think we got it covered. I've only got about 2,500 hours of flying on Army rotary wing aircraft, so I might not know what I'm talking about.

flakbait · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2003, 02:59:09 AM »

I must agree with dave and call "BS!" on this. A Huey's max takeoff weight is around 9,200 lbs for the Bravo model. Even less if its been banged up. An unloaded PBR, without combat equipment (radios, armor, weapons, fuel, etc...) and ready for sling-loading weighed 14,230 lbs according to US Navy spec for the PBR Mk I. The PBR Mk II had a hoist weight of 16,000 lbs, nearly twice the weight of a max-loaded Huey. A UH-1H has a max TO weight of 10,000 lbs, while the B-212 (twin Huey) has a max TO weight of 11,200 lbs. Still not enough to lift even a PBR Mk I. Only the CH-46/CH-47 have enough horsepower to haul either mark of PBR. Even the Blackhawk falls over a ton short of being able to lift a PBR Mk I.

References:

http://www.rivervet.com/pbrs.htm
http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.com
http://www.sikorsky.com

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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School
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Roscoroo · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2003, 03:18:48 AM »

the good old HH-53 would probely do it . and i know the marine CH-53 would

Engine: 2 x General Electric T64-GE-412 2926kW
Rotor diameter: 22.02m
Fuselage lenght: 20.5m
Height: 7.6m
Start mass: 19050kg
Empty mass: 10650kg Max. speed: 315kph
Cruise speed: 278kph
Range: 2075km
Dynamic ceiling: 6220km
Max. payload inside: 3710kg
Max. payload outside: 9070kg = 20,000 lbs
max. TO weight is 41,000 lbs

the PBR weighs 14,230 lbs

Raubvogel · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:38:00 AM »

Re-read my posts....*slowly* this time. I never once said that the UH-1 could lift a PBR. Hell, the cargo hook isn't even rated for it. But 8 troops? Hell yeah.

Chairboy · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2003, 09:53:59 AM »

I could have sworn I saw a Huey carrying a PBR at the beginning of Apocalypse Now, can anyone with a better memory remember the specific type of boat? Maybe it wasn't a PBR.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:40:34 AM »

Very good Raub. I guess you really are who you said you were.

Chairboy · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:43:45 AM »

Is that is, davidpt40? Do you just get off for free?

You accuse him of being a fraud so you can bolster your argument, then when he shows you proof that you were wrong, you just say 'ok then' without apologizing?

davidpt40 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:53:00 AM »

Chairboy, I do believe you are insane.

Sikboy · « **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:57:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
I could have sworn I saw a Huey carrying a PBR at the beginning of Apocalypse Now, can anyone with a better memory remember the specific type of boat? Maybe it wasn't a PBR.

I once saw a giant Shark bite Robert Shaw in half, yet two years later he was fighting Nazis.

I don't know what they did in Apocolypse Now, but the numbers seem to indicate that it couldn't happen. That could have just been the fiberglass shell they hoisted I suppose.

-Sik

Octavius · « **Reply #27 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:12:57 AM »

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Originally posted by davidpt40
Chairboy, I do believe you are insane.

congrats Chair! I've been called insane as well. An honor!

davidpt40 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:13:02 AM »

Just one more bit of info-

From the accounts I read of UH-1s having trouble lifting 8 troops (with equipment on a hot humid day), the pilot said he had to "Get a running start". This meant he had to actually slide the helicopter on the grass to get airspeed up a little bit before he could get enough lift to fly.

Chairboy · « **Reply #29 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:49:23 AM »

Gosh Davidpt40,

Are you sure you're talking about something some other pilot told you? Or is your 'memory' from something Raubvogel said in this same thread?