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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2003, 06:34:02 AM »
Awesome video, some errors though.

(1) U.S. did not use UH-1 in 1965
(2) VietCong did not use Mi-24 Hind in 1965
(3)UH-1 could not pick up a river patrol boat

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2003, 06:53:46 AM »
yeah, but jetpacks werent too common in WW2 either.

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2003, 11:00:15 AM »
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(1) U.S. did not use UH-1 in 1965

Incorrect.  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/uh-1-history.htm[

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(2) VietCong did not use Mi-24 Hind in 1965

It's not an Mi-24.  It's an Mi-8.  http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Rotary/Soviet/HE19G1.htm

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(3)UH-1 could not pick up a river patrol boat

Sure they can, haven't you seen Apocalypse Now?  A Huey can lift something like 6,000 lbs while a river boat weighs between 3,000 and 4,000 lbs.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2003, 11:32:51 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2003, 11:39:10 AM »
and marlon brando weighs an easy 6000 pounds

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2003, 11:45:47 AM »
Brando required a CH-47.  They made it look like a huey with special effects.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2003, 11:53:39 AM »
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Brando required a CH-47.  They made it look like a huey with special effects.


LOL!  That one really brought a snicker to my office on a Monday morning.:p

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2003, 01:33:23 PM »
They should put a Thud or a Mig-17 or Mig-21 that'd be uber cool . All we need is some MJ some LSD and we're back in Nam baby.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2003, 03:05:37 PM »
heh heh heh, davidpt40...

already answered but I'll bet the boys that went into
The Ia Drang Valley in November of '65 would disagree.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2003, 03:34:22 PM »
I was under the impression the H34 was the main helicopter for the U.S. in 1965.

And theoretically a UH-1 might be able to carry a PBR, but from all accounts I've read, it had a hard time lifting 8 troops on a hot and humid day.

And just for the record, the VietCong didnt have any helicopters.  Believe that would be the NVA.

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2003, 05:59:55 PM »
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And theoretically a UH-1 might be able to carry a PBR, but from all accounts I've read, it had a hard time lifting 8 troops on a hot and humid day.


When you say 'all accounts', do you mean 'one account that you made up based on what you assumed'?

The Huey was ground breaking for many reasons, including how relatively overpowered it was.  It was a flying tractor, and still is.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2003, 07:39:55 PM »
Well, from all accounts, I was a UH-1H crewchief for 5 years and I say your full of chit. During Desert Storm we regularly carried 8 with rucks plus me, a gunner, guns, ammo, survival kits with no problem. Huey really only gets into trouble when it gets in high altitudes and the temp is relatively high. Tends to run out of tail rotor authority. Running summer missions into the Cascades to hoist out mountain climbers and other tards was always an adventure.

That being said, the Huey's cargo hook is rated for *way* more than it could ever be expected to carry. You would have to really strip the inside and run on an ultra low fuel load to hope to get even close to the hooks max capacity. You might be able to carry 4,000 lbs, but you won't have anything inside, to include armament and crewchief.

Internal loads are much easier to get aloft than external loads. You can do a running takeoff, just skimming the ground until you reach the point of translational lift, where the rotor disk moves into undisturbed air. Then the rotor system becomes much more efficient and you're able to lift more. This isn't possible with an external load.

Huey was and is a damn good bird.  I still miss flying on them. But the Blackhawk is leaps and bounds better.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2003, 07:54:31 PM »
DavidPT40,

This serves as official notice that you have been pwned by Raubvogel.

That is all.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2003, 11:14:19 PM »
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When you say 'all accounts', do you mean 'one account that you made up based on what you assumed'?


I'm going on two seperate accounts.  Just show me a picture of a UH-1 carrying a PBR and I will believe you.

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Well, from all accounts, I was a UH-1H crewchief for 5 years and I say your full of chit.


The UH-1H has WAY more horsepower than the UH-1B. I say you have never even been on a helicopter.  Show some proof that you really were a crewchief.  

UH-1H:Lycoming T-53-L-13
Single turbine
1,400 horsepower

UH-1B:The HU-1B followed, which with a 960-horsepower T53-L-5 engine accommodated eight passengers on three stretchers.

Forgot to add: Iraq has very low humidity, Vietnam very high.  So even if the UH-1B and UH-1H had the same engine, they would produce different amounts of power in different environments.
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