Author Topic: gameplay, censorship, et al.... (Read 3599 times)

EDO43 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 06, 2003, 09:41:16 PM »

Ack-Ack, I'll take that quarter and raise ya a dollar. I never said AH was ded. All I said was that game play was much better before AW died. That's a true statement. I was there, done that...got several t-shirts.

You seem to have some anger issues with what I posted. Anger enough to be insulting and at the same time, displaying your ignorance. See, I can be insulting too. If you weren't there, then you can't say a word. If you're a hard core AW defender, and it looks like you are, go buy the rights to the game with the dollar I just gave you and put it back on the web. I won't be the least bit sorry to see you leave.

EDO43 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 06, 2003, 10:00:02 PM »

To all who have responded: Thank you and let me add that, I respect your points of view (most of em anyway). I think I will keep my account and do as some of you suggest and take some time off, and/or spend less time online.

I had forgotten that HTC was working on AH2 and didn't know that he flys under an assumed CPID. For my comments regarding the AWOL of HT staff, I apologize. However, I still think some of the points I mentioned need to be considered. If not for AH then for AH2.

Now, lets get back to what we like to do.........shoot the other bastage down, and blow up his fields and strat the whole country! LOL

lazs2 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 07, 2003, 10:35:54 AM »

edo... I don't know how positive an influence you are on the community... if your suggestions are taken to heart tho about the strat then you are a very negative influence on the gameplay of those of us who want to log on for a few hours and fight the red planes.

I don't want to recreate WWII... I read the book... allready know how it came out and why. I read that some pilots spent a whole tour never firing a shot at an enemy. I read that most flights were hours of doing nothing except try to stay awake. I also read that no raid ever had such an "effect" that you knew if it diod any good or not. and I don't want to log on to the losing side that will hang in there for another week or month or so being hammered by all the "chessmasters of the sky" who rely on numbers for their strat.

If you had what you wanted.... onlyu kids and adults with no life would enjoy AH.

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #48 on:** December 07, 2003, 11:05:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
However, in the MAIN ARENA, I think the design and implementation should allow EVERYONE to have fun. IE, while you're conquering the world, there needs to be a place for those that have no interest except finding a good fight.

There is - it's called the DA, but it seems that YOU are the one still missing the point.

But let's study this more closely... "I think the design and implementation should allow EVERYONE to have fun." Erm... would that include the fuel porkers? They're entitled to their fun too. They pay the same $14.95 that you do. But oh! You don't like it when they do their stuff, and your Siamese twin even wants to have bombs perked to put a stop to it!

I could go on, but I don't want to take EDO's thread off topic.

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 07, 2003, 11:22:17 AM »

Hmm... sure.. the fuel porkers could have fun too. let em kill all the fuel with suicide runs... just make it so that the fuel could never go below 50% at a field. Or... perk bombs over 100 lbs... if they show any skill they will be able to have more effect but if they show no skill they will have no effect other than be a target..

that is the way it should play out. The "strat" in AH is... the country with the most numbers wins... they have the numbers to steamroll and to drive GV's over to park on enemy runways and the excess players to milkrun HQ's.. The more convoluted and complex the strat..... the more having the most numbers will matter.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #50 on:** December 07, 2003, 11:49:33 AM »

No, the DA ISN'T it.

The DA, by design is set up as "set piece" matches between individuals or small groups. The fields are matched altitudes, there's no real terrain features, etc., etc.

The MA, whether you like it or not, is a "free for all" where there are essentially no "givens". Engagement fields are not co-alt, there's no telling what sort of aircraft you'll meet, higher or lower or Co-alt.

YOU are postulating that the MA is supposed to be some sort of recreation of WW2. That's ludicrous. Any evaluation of the options made available to players by the company has to come to the conclusion that the MA is most certainly not designed as some reenactment scenario.

The availability of limited design scenarios, the CT and the upcoming TOD further highlights the fact that the MA was never intended to be what you keep crying for and then your falling into dispair when it fails to meet your expectations.

The fuel degradation issue is simply one of a vast imbalance. In no other aspect of the strateegery of the MA is there such a disparity in the effort to degrade versus the effort to resupply. It's undeniable, unless you're totally blind.

So, either the imbalance can be addressed (and I believe it will once they get AH2 online) or the reduction should be limited to 50% so that ALL aircraft in the planeset have a chance to participate in the gameplay. In short, the imbalance has the same effect as a "bug". If you're proclaiming that exploiting a bug is a good thing... well, from you that would not suprise me.

In any event, if you're so interested in online Chess matches, it's pretty clear that degrading troop capability is far more effective in stopping the enemy than any other single factor. Without troops, the amount of enemy fuel is immaterial. Fuel is a red herring in the drive for world conquest. Want to win? Keep the enemy troop capability at zero.

But you choose to ignore that. THERE'S MA "strat".

Toodle. Off with English Kate for another field holiday.

DrDea · « **Reply #51 on:** December 07, 2003, 01:59:56 PM »

Why is it EVERY thread on these boards always digress to
A) Porking fuel ruins my way of playing this game.
Along with the same tired old suggestion that the game
B) perk bombs to affect someone ELSES way of playing or never let the fuel hit below 50%?
You cant have it both ways folks.You cant post the most and spam the host asking that changes be made so your happy but at the expence of roughly 50% of the arena And yes I would say half wanna get a reset and half could care less.Im sure this will lead to various insults from those that feel that speak for everyone else and I really dont care.Reread this untill you get it.

"The arena as it is right now will not be changed.AH2 may adress some of these issues,but as it stands right now you can state and endlessly restate your desires and its gonna add up to but 2 things.Jack and shat.And Jack left town."

beet1e · « **Reply #52 on:** December 07, 2003, 02:18:06 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
that is the way it should play out. The "strat" in AH is... the country with the most numbers wins...

No, that's the strat in the Main Arena. The Duelling Arena has none of that nonsense that you guys so despise.

I don't like the current vogue tactic of fuel porkage any more than you do. The difference is that I don't whine to have the game changed. The fuel porkers enjoy porking your fuel back to 25%, and seeing you whine on the BBS.

If fuel is unporkable below 50%, you'd be taking away their fun - for which they have paid just as much as you. Just because their fun does not accord with your agenda, why should they be be deprived of it? I'm just saying this because you guys (and you know who you are) are always ready and willing to piss on someone else's chosen style of play and whine for game/map changes to favour your own style of play, despite your self proclamations of being the champions of freedom of choice - bunch of freaking hypocrites that you can be at times.

I want you to be happy. I've suggested the DA for you. I even suggested a dedicated BK/TAS arena - ooops, that got the cold shoulder from Skuzzy.

Mr. Toad! I read your entire post, and I couldn't tell if you were addressing EDO43 or myself - until I got to "Toodle"! I guess we're only a post or two from a Toad red ink post.

Pip!

sax · « **Reply #53 on:** December 07, 2003, 04:13:44 PM »

And what your doing isn't whining about the furballers whining about fuel porking?
Step away from the keyboard Beetle and think about it for a sec please

lazs2 · « **Reply #54 on:** December 08, 2003, 08:46:15 AM »

hmm... if there were a feature that said that every time I vultched a fighter or bomber on the runway then no bombers or GV's could take off for the next 30 minutes at that field then the bombers and GV guys would be complaining and trying to ruin my fun.

The A bomb would be fun to someone but it would be a little lopsided... lobbying to get it out of the game would not be "ruining" the A bombers fun but addressing an imbalance.

fuel porking takes no skill.. if it takes no skill it should have an equal effect... in other words... it should either have no effect or... should take no skill or time to repair.

soo... either make it so it is allmost invulnerable... or that it never goes below 50% or... that it takes only one fighter landing at the base to restore it all. The fuel porkers idea of fun is not valid. it is too lopsided.

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #55 on:** December 08, 2003, 09:46:54 AM »

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Originally posted by sax
And what your doing isn't whining about the furballers whining about fuel porking?
Step away from the keyboard Beetle and think about it for a sec please

Sax! Glad you're still reading my posts. No, I'm not whining about fuel porkers. They ARE a pain in the neck, but I was just giving an opposing point of view to what Lazs and Toad were saying. Very often, the wants/needs of would-be strat players are treated with a measure of "let them eat cake" disdain. If I complain about AH gameplay (and there is much to complain about) I will be accused of being a "Generalissimo" by the furballers. But when THEIR gameplay is spoiled by the antics of some players, for example the suicide fuel porkers, the furballers get upset and want to see changes to the game and/or the maps. Well, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. The furballers have long campaigned for the continued freedom of AH players to play the game how they want...

... but now their campaign is qualified thus: Every guy to be able to play how he wants, except if it spoils things for the furballers. In THAT case, we must perk bombs, change strat, modify fuel rebuild times, harden hangars, toughen HQ radar... the list goes on and on.

Lazs - if we're going to remove from the game everything that takes no skill, it would be a much longer list than simply perking fuel porkers' bombs. Other things that require no skill: Vulching, gangbanging, flying an LA7, suicide CV LANC divebomb missions...

Lazs, when people don't like maps, the current advice is to go and design their own map. In your case, I think you should write your own game. I'll do the map for you - three overlapping fields, all at sea level...

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** December 08, 2003, 10:48:24 AM »

it is not that you have to remove everything that takes no skill..... what I do requires very little skill.... No, what needs to be done is....

remove the effect a person with little skill has. My skilless furballing has effects only on the plane I shoot down occassionaly... my lack of skill only effects someone with even less skill. Don't know how to put it any simpler.

I don't need to write a game. Also... don't bother to design a map for me.. fester allready has. mindy isn't bad either.

lazs

sax · « **Reply #57 on:** December 08, 2003, 11:52:37 AM »

Re-read my post Beetle--my point is in there some where:)

Bulz · « **Reply #58 on:** December 08, 2003, 12:02:52 PM »

Hajo posted:
For instance....turn on the puter...initialize Contrl Manager, select my map. Log onto AH......go to tower look at Map....then say
NAWWWWWWWWWW not today, just don't feel like it.
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I only logged on once all weekend! Those that know me also know that you could count on BulzEye being on every day... Well, not any more. After a year of playing and right at the point where I actually feel I was becoming a pretty virtualpilot, I feel I need a break also. Hajo's ( ya ole turk!) scenerio above has been the way I have been "playing" fro the last week or so. Log on, look around, up a plane, turn around and land, log... Things have changed in the last few months in the MA...
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Now....again it's not the game....it's the familiarity with it . Heck....at 54 maybe I'm starting to grow
up...but I seriously doubt it.
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I may be getting old Hajo.. but I refuse to grow up! lol.

FYI all: EDO is my squadmate. Very smart and edumacated guy. Almost always has a funny comeback and almost never has a negative attitude. Between him and Bodhi, I have had to really bone up on my WW2 aircraft stats! I feel his pain as of late and though I will not be closing my account, I will be on a bit less than usual.

When is TOD due out? hehe.. Maybe I will go help beta test it seeing I have a Cadilac puter now... Hmmm.

STRAITEN UP! FLY RIGHT!

DrDea · « **Reply #59 on:** December 08, 2003, 08:48:50 PM »

Beetle said "if we're going to remove from the game everything that takes no skill, it would be a much longer list than simply perking fuel porkers' bombs. Other things that require no skill: Vulching, gangbanging, flying an LA7, "

LOL Flying an La7.Good stuff. Ahh face it guys.No game will be the be all for everyone.Ya just gotta find what you like,do it till it isnt fun any more and dont sweat what the other guys does.Even if it effects your game.If that nags at ya do what it takes to return the favor.Go bomb that base's egg ability and stop the madness or fly somewhere else.Im sure the strat guys feel the same way when Troops and ord are dissabled at there field.Ya see.Theres NO special cases.Everyone can make it hard on everyone else.Its just about the point of it all.I know some dissagree with the effect of hitting fuel.Its really no diffrent than porking Ord and troops.All an ends to a means.If your gonna harden fuel then harden ord and troops.It starts to snowball from there and then its outta control.