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Offline JB73

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Car payment vs income=8% is ideal
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2003, 05:55:24 PM »
i had a $324 car payment on a 6 year loan for an $18,900 car (95 buick skylark SE)

chitty buy (financially) but awsome car. i have over 160,000 miles on it (all driven by me) from Nov. of 95 when i bought it.only repairs besides brakes and stuff:

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  • heater core leaked antifreeze about 3 years ago.
  • bushing mounts for the shocks in front deterioated and had to be replaced.
  • one of the spark coils went bad about 4 years ago
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    overall a great car and my 3rd buick in a row. too bad the dont have a mid-range car anymore. my next car is not going to be a park avenue or a celebrity so i guess i'll have to try another maker.
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2003, 08:04:27 PM »
Buick!? What are you, like 70 y/o?

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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2003, 08:09:13 PM »
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Buick!? What are you, like 70 y/o?
LMAO now im 70 instead of 14... gotta love this community LOL
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2003, 08:11:08 PM »
My house payment is 60% and my car payments are 45%.... I live the American dream!

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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2003, 12:02:49 AM »
buick looks great (except for the dent from the drunk hit - and -running my car in the parking lot of a strip club none the less LMAO)

1 minor cosmetic flaw in the interior where the rear armrest broke (on the side of the car it's a 2 door coupe)
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2003, 12:06:17 AM »
That's why I buy old vintage cars for 1500 bucks and shovel 12 grand into fixing them up.

Of course I am an idiot.  I must be, my wife tells me that every day.
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2003, 03:29:29 AM »
I've paid cash for my last two cars, whose prices have been around the £20,000 mark. I start putting the money aside to buy my next car as soon as I've just bought a new one. I keep the car about three years, and this last time (Nov.25) my trade-in was worth 60% of what I paid for it. I made up the balance with the money I'd set aside.

Doing it this way means I don't spend thousands of £ on interest and loan fees to some fat cat bank. Instead, my "car payment" is the amount I set aside each month which goes into MY bank account, and all interest on those deposits is paid to ME.

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2003, 08:17:16 AM »
I spend too much on my Healey and El Camino to afford a car payment.
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Re: Actually, 0% is the ideal
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2003, 10:19:15 AM »
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I've paid cash for my last two cars, whose prices have been around the £20,000 mark. I start putting the money aside to buy my next car as soon as I've just bought a new one. I keep the car about three years, and this last time (Nov.25) my trade-in was worth 60% of what I paid for it. I made up the balance with the money I'd set aside.

Doing it this way means I don't spend thousands of £ on interest and loan fees to some fat cat bank. Instead, my "car payment" is the amount I set aside each month which goes into MY bank account, and all interest on those deposits is paid to ME.


Beet1e,

Um, not to be an arse, but interest rates just plain suck.  You'd be better off taking out a low interest car loan, then taking the cash you saved up and investing it into a three or four year mutual that has sound history.  One of the ones I use is still guarateeing 16%.  Seems to me, that you put 20k in the fund, and do 16% min a year you'd be better off to the tune of 31217.92K  But, keep in mind you are still saving and, now you have 11217.92 more than you did before.

Just makes more sense to me.  Use other peoples money at better interest and you'll be the one to reap the rewards if you are smart about it.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2003, 12:03:03 PM »
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Beet1e,

Um, not to be an arse, but interest rates just plain suck.  You'd be better off taking out a low interest car loan, then taking the cash you saved up and investing it into a three or four year mutual that has sound history.  One of the ones I use is still guarateeing 16%.  Seems to me, that you put 20k in the fund, and do 16% min a year you'd be better off to the tune of 31217.92K  But, keep in mind you are still saving and, now you have 11217.92 more than you did before.

Just makes more sense to me.  Use other peoples money at better interest and you'll be the one to reap the rewards if you are smart about it.
Bodhi - if you can find me an investment fund that will pay me 16% guaranteed over three years, please advise me of the details immediately! You'll also need to tell me the name of a lending institution whose interest and loan charges on a 3 year loan of £20,000 do not exceed £3000. My guess is that I won't hear back from you on that.

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2003, 01:21:50 PM »
...don't forget the tax issue. Let's suppose (for the sake of round figures) that you found me an investment fund which paid 15% guaranteed over three years. That's £3000. But I am a higher rate taxpayer, and the marginal rate of taxation for me in the UK is 40%. That investment fund payout would be subject to said 40% income tax, leaving me £1800 after tax. Now let's suppose I invest that £20,000  - monthly deposits over three years - the average balance on deposit would be £10,000 throughout the three year term. As you say, interest rates suck (they are the lowest they have been in my lifetime in the UK) so I might only get a piddly 3% = £300 each year = £900 over three years = £540 after 40% tax. Doing it your way, the after tax investment payout would be £1800. Doing it my way, it would be £540. BUT... I'd then have the loan arrangement fees and interest. For your method to be worthwhile, those combined charges would have to be less than £1360 (£1800-£540) to make it worthwhile.

Do you know a car dealer who can arrange a three year £20,000 loan whose combined interest and arrangement fee comes to only £1360????