Author Topic: Etiquette of air combat (Read 14973 times)

nopoop · « **Reply #135 on:** December 14, 2003, 07:18:56 PM »

I think most chute shooting falls under the "for the hell of it" rule.

But I be likin Ack-ack's orphanage thing..

I'd make a POINT of doing that.

..alas the poor children

Elfie · « **Reply #136 on:** December 14, 2003, 07:30:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
I cant beileve this thread is still going. The quote from Delta's something or other is a load of wishfull thinking crap.

Years ago, when I started flying.
1) Call of 1v1 was honored
2) Call of bingo ammo might be honored
3) Chute shooting usually at request of the chute (lol)

All that has gone by the wayside at least 5 years ago. Geesh, deal with it.

That kind of gameplay could come back if the players let it. Nothing says it has to stay the same as it is now

Elfie · « **Reply #137 on:** December 14, 2003, 07:31:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I'm sure there will be other ways we can make you whine.

ack-ack

You won't hear me whine if my chute gets shot or if I get gangbanged. Sorry to disappoint you Ack-Ack.

Elfie · « **Reply #138 on:** December 14, 2003, 07:35:24 PM »

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If HT didn't want us to shoot chutes, he wouldn't make them with those pretty explosions

To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why.

Arlo · « **Reply #139 on:** December 14, 2003, 08:50:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
That kind of gameplay could come back if the players let it. Nothing says it has to stay the same as it is now

Assuming 100% of the players wanted that and not just the 10% (ultra-conservative estimate) that are horribly offended by the discourteousness they are forced to deal with.

Arlo · « **Reply #140 on:** December 14, 2003, 08:52:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why.

Probably for the same reason a pilot who bails out and actually makes it to the ground intact ends up holding a rifle. I figure my assumption is as good as anyone's .... no matter what they're rationalizing.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #141 on:** December 14, 2003, 09:06:36 PM »

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Originally posted by mold
Wait, you salute players? What is a salute other than rendering honor unto your opponents? You must be one of those idiot tards who thinks honor is part of this game.

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"Saluting" acknowledges that a fight was fun. We're not actually saluting in a military sense... subhumans don't do that.

There's nothing wrong, incidentally, with civility. What I've been saying all along -- ignored by you all along -- is that activities such as chute shooting, gangbanging, vulching, etc. are not violations of "common courtesy" or any other silly codes of honor. They're parts of an online combat game where geeks blow up pixels operated by other geeks; nothing more, nothing less. I do not expect a salute, and I'm not perturbed when I don't receive one.

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Well, gee, Leviathn, I would think that stealing kills would be good for "clutter removal, situational awareness booster, and target practice". Plus you will get lots of people whining! Not just that, but they will know exactly who you are, and you will get whines directed right at you in the bright green of your country's channel! I can't imagine anything that'd be more fun. What do you say? Will you steal kills now?

Whining demonstrates a distinct lack of understanding about how the game actually functions. That's why it's so fun to see guys who've been shot in their chutes squirm and whine because they wrongfully attribute some sort of moral weight to the act of pixel destruction. Hilarious.

And perhaps you didn't read my previous reply on this subject. If you keep asking the same question, you'll keep getting the same answer. Time to move on.

-- Todd/Leviathn

nopoop · « **Reply #142 on:** December 14, 2003, 09:11:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why.

Why that's simple. It's to appeal to the darkside of your mind..

Some of us enjoy strafing chutes after a hard day of work crackin the nut..

Round about beer-thirty THAT'S what I be thinking about.

Screams would be great tho..

Maybe in AH2 they'll scream when you pop them..

I'm hopeful.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #143 on:** December 14, 2003, 09:18:21 PM »

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Originally posted by mold
Remember those thingies in the SAT tests? They looked like this:this :: that:that? Those are called a-n-a-l-o-g-i-e-s. Here, let me give you an example to help you out. Leviathn : mold :: God : pond scum. Hope that clears things up for ya.

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It's good to see that you understand what an analogy is. Now I wish you'd just demonstrate some aptitude toward creating them. For instance:

Vulching: Aces High :: Shopping for milk: Grocery Store

Vulching is an action commonly found in Aces High and one in which many players engage regularly. By the same token, shopping for milk is an action commonly found in grocery stores in which many shoppers engage regularly.

Tell me, mold, are you angered by people shopping for milk? Hm. Dishonorable subhumans! If you complained about milk shopping, I wonder if the shoppers would point at you and laugh at how stupid you're acting. Guess what? Players in Aces High point and laugh at you when you complain about vulching too!

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Ooh, I'm so flattered! The great Leviathn is asking for my advice. I would be honored to assist you sir. Let me begin by asking a question, because it never hurts to be too sure: do you cut in line at the supermarket?

Look, faux obsequiousness. Charming, even if you ask leading questions that have no bearing on the subject matter. You really do have a one-track mind.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #144 on:** December 14, 2003, 09:27:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
The most common reason people shoot a chute is to aggravate or annoy the person who is helplessly dangling in their chute.
It is NEVER ok to intentionally anger/annoy/aggravate our fellow human beings. Thats what I mean by playing nice. Some people just can't understand something that simple

Now it's time to ask yourself why people whose chutes are shot become angry/annoyed/aggravated over it. Is it because the act itself was discourteous or because these people are so score-obsessed or lack a basic understanding of the game dynamics that they become angry/annoyed/aggravated over it when they otherwise shouldn't.

You don't really lose anything when shot in your chute. It's a quick way to replane. Maybe your points or stats suffer a little bit, but so what? Add to that that an overwhelming majority of people who die in their chutes do not complain about it, and you suddenly realize that you are the reason you're angry/annoyed/aggravated, not the person who shot your chute.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #145 on:** December 14, 2003, 09:31:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why.

Don't be obtuse. In Warbirds, bailers were even given guns to defend themselves against the inevitable attempts to destroy them. HTC went through the trouble of programming chutes as destroyable objects in Aces High and even included them in the aircraft database for kills and deaths. They also expended the programming effort to minimize the target area of chutes by forcing chute shooters to hit the bailers themselves rather than just the parachutes, thus increasing the skill required to bring them down.

-- Todd/Leviathn

TheManx · « **Reply #146 on:** December 14, 2003, 09:53:07 PM »

I don't shoot chutes (damn that's a mouthful) unless they've taken to the silk without a fight. A good fight acknowledges that courtesy in my opinion. Saying that, I don't honestly mind having my chute killed. It is still a game.

Arlo · « **Reply #147 on:** December 14, 2003, 10:17:27 PM »

I think Manx has a good grasp.

Grizzly · « **Reply #148 on:** December 14, 2003, 10:37:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why.

You seem to assume that you came in on the ground floor of air combat sims. This stuff has been going on for like 15 years now and HiTech was involved most of that time. He knows about the chute deal, been there and no doubt done that, and likely chuckled at the resultant whining. I assure you the chutes were made for shooting.

grizzly

Grizzly · « **Reply #149 on:** December 14, 2003, 10:51:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
I cant beileve this thread is still going. The quote from Delta's something or other is a load of wishfull thinking crap.

Years ago, when I started flying.
1) Call of 1v1 was honored
2) Call of bingo ammo might be honored
3) Chute shooting usually at request of the chute (lol)

All that has gone by the wayside at least 5 years ago. Geesh, deal with it.

Your memory is tainted. The only time honor is bestowed upon another is when they know and/or like each other. There always has been and always will be players that don't choose to honor such requests. And there are those who would be critical of another player even asking for such consideration.

I never called bingo and expected to be spared. Expecting another to grant me a favor after I made a mistake and got into such a fix can be agravating. If I went bingo and the other player had put up a good fight, I'd tell him to take the kill because I'm bingo and fly slow and level. If he let me go I'd thank him, and if he killed me I'd salute him.

Expecting honor isn't honorable, but granting it is.

grizzly