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Offline miko2d

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« on: December 12, 2003, 09:52:39 PM »
Soldiers: A Baghdad Thanksgiving's Lingering Aftertaste

 Soldiers offended by Bush by not being admitted to the holiday dinner ate MREs and *****ed.

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The cheering soldiers who met him were pre-screened and others showing up for a turkey dinner were turned away.

Sgt. Loren Russell: "magine their dismay when they walked 15 minutes to the Bob Hope Dining Facility, only to find that they were turned away from their evening meal. . . . They understand that President Bush ate there and that upgraded security was required. But why were only certain units turned away?"
 Russell added that his soldiers "chose to complain amongst themselves and eat MREs, even after the chow hall was reopened for 'usual business' at 9 p.m.


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Stars and Stripes, the Pentagon-authorized newspaper of the U.S. military,... was reporting on a survey it did of troops in Iraq, finding that half of those questioned described their units' moral as low and their training as insufficient and said they did not plan to reenlist.

  I wonder why?


Republicans: Bush Defends Barring Foes Of War From Iraq Business - Concerns Raised by Republicans

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At home, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) registered his concerns, and other Republicans on Capitol Hill expressed puzzlement that the White House decided to support a policy it rejected only months ago.

Frist, who was not told in advance about the contracts policy, said he "expressed concern" to the Bush administration.

The White House vigorously opposed a similar policy when lawmakers tried to add it to legislation earlier this year, according to congressional officials. In April, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice personally lobbied Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) to drop from a Pentagon spending bill a proposal to block France and Germany from Iraq contracts.

Part of the reason for the White House objection was to speed the spending bill through Congress. But senior Republican Senate aides said the administration also objected to the policy itself, both in April and again this fall when GOP senators sought to add similar provisions to Bush's request for $87 billion in new spending, mostly for Iraq.


And Neocons:
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The White House came under scathing criticism even from supporters, who called the policy a blunder. In a memorandum distributed to U.S. opinion leaders, neoconservative writers William Kristol and Robert Kagan said the policy should be abandoned sooner rather than later to minimize the diplomatic damage.


More neocons: Neo-cons cry 'appeasement' over Taiwan

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In an extraordinary split with US President George W Bush, a neo-conservative-dominated think-tank close to administration hawks released a statement on Tuesday afternoon accusing the president of "appeas(ing)" China on Taiwan.

The statement by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was released just a few hours after Bush publicly chastised Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian for planning a referendum...



Engineers: Engineers Grade U.S. Infrastructure. It's Not a Pretty Picture

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About the same time as the President asked for the money for Iraq, the American Society of Civil Engineers issued a report card on U.S. infrastructure. The engineers gave the U.S. a D+, which, on a normal grading scale, can’t be too much better than Iraq’s grade. The engineers' cost estimate to bring U.S. infrastructure up to acceptable levels? $1.6 trillion.

 Could frogs and crauts bid for contracts on restoration of New York City infrastructure? Even though they did not paricipate in its destruction?

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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2003, 10:54:58 PM »
Ive never had frog legs before, but Im dying to try them.

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2003, 02:32:45 AM »
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Ive never had frog legs before, but Im dying to try them.


Over rated.....stick to the wine and cheese...er and the onion soup...ok and the bread and the pate and sausages and the beer and....the list is long -

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2003, 02:48:07 AM »
back a few years ago when i was in the U.S.Cavalry it was a "dog and pony show" i dont think much has changed. understand now?
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2003, 09:00:00 AM »
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Ive never had frog legs before, but Im dying to try them.


I had frog legs when I was a kid.  I'm sure they weren't the right kind of frogs, though.  We just caught them out back and cooked them on a campfire.  They weren't that big.

I can't even remember what they taste like, now.

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2003, 09:46:23 AM »
When I was a young boy, my father said that they tasted like chicken.

He said that about everything though.

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2003, 09:48:16 AM »
My understanding of this is that fighting soldiers were turned away from their meal for a presidental publicity stunt.

Now there is a great way to increase morale.  Job well done.

So much for the unannounced visit to Bagdad theory!  Apparently his visit was known ahead of time.  

Executive stupidity in this term never ceases to amaze me!
Rock:  Ya see that Ensign, lighting the cigarette?
Powell: Yes Rock.
Rock: Well that's where I got it, he's my son.
Powell: Really Rock, well I'd like to meet him.
Rock:  No ya wouldn't.

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2003, 10:22:37 AM »
Read the end of the piece, why do you think the post waited untill the end of the report to explain that it really was fair and the screening was for security not for party correctness.

The post slanted the pace of the writing to make the admin. look bad then at the end at least made it somewhat accurate if a bit late.

The hall hours were extended 5 hours to allow everyone a meal.

Do you think there needed to be some type of change due to the situation? I do and so would most folks.

This is not good reporting, but is typ. Post drivel.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2003, 11:18:45 AM »
This is a case of the liberal media trying to make Bush's visit look like Hillary's grab for publicity.

Bush / Cheney 2004
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2003, 11:22:34 AM »
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Originally posted by Bodhi
This is a case of the liberal media trying to make Bush's visit look like Hillary's grab for publicity.

Bush / Cheney 2004


Billary eats frog legs too?

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2003, 11:43:50 AM »
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Billary eats frog legs too?
:rofl :lol
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2003, 09:34:20 PM »
Saurdaukar: Ive never had frog legs before, but Im dying to try them.

 Those I've tried tasted like the cross between shrimp and chicken.

Scootter: The hall hours were extended 5 hours to allow everyone a meal.

 Look up the definition of the word extended" in the dictionary as well as the word "postponed".

 The hours would have been extended if those soldiers were told "President Bush is in now, so you can eat with him or come in later anytime within five hours after the usual closing time".

 What they were said was "You are not good enough to dine in the president's presence, go away and do not come back untill 9 p.m.".

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2003, 12:38:51 AM »
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The cheering soldiers who met him were pre-screened and others showing up for a turkey dinner were turned away......They understand that President Bush ate there and that upgraded security was required. But why were only certain units turned away?"


 Why would you need to pre-screen American front line soldiers on an american base?

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2003, 12:43:41 AM »
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Why would you need to pre-screen American front line soldiers on an american base?

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You don't.  It's more extreme liberal propaganda.

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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2003, 03:29:28 AM »
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Originally posted by Martlet
You don't.  It's more extreme liberal propaganda.

yes you do. they are thinking about the next mcviegh. sometimes terrorism begins at home. why was rumsveld so protected on his visit to iraq? he had the most body armor technology could provide. was it our troops or iraqis they were protecting him from?
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