German Carrier-Based Aircraft

[Sixpence]

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/grzepp.html

I was going to post this in hoping HTC would think about trying to model these prototypes into the game. I realize there may be other aircraft deserving to get into the game before these.

We all know that when a CV is close to an airfield, enmy aircraft the likes of La7's and especially the 109g10 are quickly launched to get an alt advantage. The G10 usually can outclimb any CV based plane.

I was wondering if activating the 109G6 at Cv's would be a bad idea. I like the way HTC creates an even playing field by allowing every team access any plane. I think this would be in line with that thinking.

I think allowing the G6 would also help in defending the Cv from the many(understatement) suicide dive bombing Lancs and B17's. Just a thought.

[B17Skull12]

yes i need more people to help suport my 109T hopes in AH.

[zmeg]

Even though they never saw service as carrier based planes I think a german plane for carrier service would be a great addition.

[Furball]

no way...

You start adding stuff like that into the game, it basically opens the floodgates for all other prototypes/experimental for inclusion.

If that is included, i demand a De Havilland Sea Hornet, that will outclimb those pesky 109G-10's

[MajorDay]

Thought German has one Carrier in WW2

[GScholz]

They never finished the CV ... however they DID make a few squadrons worth of CV capable 109s. After the CV was scrapped the 109s were transfered to Norway where they served to the end of the war. One that was ditched just off the coast after an engine fire has now been collected and is being restored here.

Stripped of naval equipment and fitted with a rack for a 66 Imp gal drop tank, 4 110-lb bombs, or a single 551-lb bomb, the planes were redesignated Bf 109T-2. It was concluded that the Bf 109T-2 would be ideal for operation from small, exposed airstrips such as those from which the Jagdflieger were forced to operate in Norway. Several units operated with the Bf 109T-2 in Norway. However, it never operated in its intended shipboard role. The short-field performance of the Bf 109T lead to surviving Norwegian-based Bf 109T-2s to be based on the tiny fortified island of Heligoland in 1943. The last of the Bf 109T-2s disappeared from the inventory at the end of 1944.

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/grzepp.html

[Sikboy]

Not to Pimp our events but...

The Germans have had Access to the Graf Zeplin in a few CAP frames from time to time. We enabled 109Fs and Stukas from a CV. The Stuka operates perfectly, in fact it's easier to takeoff and land than a lot of Carrier planes. I suck trying to get the 109 back on the deck.

-Sik

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Not to Pimp our events but...

The Germans have had Access to the Graf Zeplin in a few CAP frames from time to time. We enabled 109Fs and Stukas from a CV. The Stuka operates perfectly, in fact it's easier to takeoff and land than a lot of Carrier planes. I suck trying to get the 109 back on the deck.

-Sik

It's odd that they would pick the 109F-4 when the Bf 109T-1 and T-2 were developed from the 109E-1. Likewise, performance was very much along the the lines of the later 109E models.

My regards,

Widewing

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Widewing
It's odd that they would pick the 109F-4 when the Bf 109T-1 and T-2 were developed from the 109E-1. Likewise, performance was very much along the the lines of the later 109E models.

My regards,

Widewing

Do you feel that the luftwaffe would have continued to use those Aircraft in late 1943, had the Graff Zepplin been completed and deployed? I don't think it's that odd.  

-Sik

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Sixpence
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/grzepp.html

I was going to post this in hoping HTC would think about trying to model these prototypes into the game. I realize there may be other aircraft deserving to get into the game before these.

We all know that when a CV is close to an airfield, enmy aircraft the likes of La7's and especially the 109g10 are quickly launched to get an alt advantage. The G10 usually can outclimb any CV based plane.

I was wondering if activating the 109G6 at Cv's would be a bad idea. I like the way HTC creates an even playing field by allowing every team access any plane. I think this would be in line with that thinking.

I think allowing the G6 would also help in defending the Cv from the many(understatement) suicide dive bombing Lancs and B17's. Just a thought.

Hypothetical German carrier aircraft would be really pushing it I think.  Since they never had an operational carrier, that makes it a bit tough.  I could see the 109T since it actually existed, but there were no G6 or G10 carrier aircraft.

You start that kinda deal, then you are going to have folks wanting all kinds of what if birds, and having all kinds of justifications for it.

And lets face it, we've got more then eough 109 variants.  Not that the LW contingent would ever agree.

Dan/Slack

[Mathman]

You can have your Kraut/Nazi carrier planes when I can have my F8F.

[ramzey]

lol, whats next? mby 262 from carrier?
we saw 163 year ago on con evill mission;-)

germans was building carrier and never done it
60 109T was build, all of them was used in norway or as experimental planes. Btw 109T is 109E with rebuild wing and hook system
So , never used operational

[wklink]

A 109T would be interesting.  I don't think it would take much to model a tail hook on a Bf 109E4 to do the job.  I am not sure that it would be any more effective than the SeafireII but it would

Stuka would be interesting as well.

I suspect that if the Graf Zepplin had made it to completion there would have been different aircraft.  I suspect the 109T would have been upgraded to G6 specs and the Stuka to the D configuration.  

Of course the ship probably wouldn't have sortied anyway, by 43 Hitler was pretty skittish about letting his capital ships out of port.  I suspect that the Graf Zepplin wouldn't have performed very well near Norway and it's sinking would have been a big propaganda loss for Germany.  

It is also interesting to read about the ship.  Compared to later US carriers (essex class) the GZ wasn't supposed to be inferior with less aircraft carrying capability, fewer defenses, less capability.  I can't imagine Germany being able to mass produce those things like the US so the GZ probably wouldn't have lasted long had she decided to sortie for more than one or two times.

[Sixpence]

Ok, well if we cant have a 109 at a CV, how about unperking the F4u-c and limiting it to CV operation only? At least getting jumped by a 109 and an la7 while trying to get the relentless waves of b17's and Lancs sacrificing themselves by the dozen won't cost me 10 perks. Talk about insult to injury. Besides you need the punch of multi cannons to take these bombers down.

Back during the days of the single bomber, CV's were still sunk with ease. Now they have formations of three:confused:

Or maybe get the perk down to 3 or 4. This way you don't mind talking on off repeatedly and getting shot down.

i.e., 20 planes x 3 = 60 perks. 15 planes x 4 = 60 perks

The unlimited choice of plane at the enemy airfield makes it real tough for a single CV task group. On top of that you need at least 20 players to fill positions of gunners, LTV drivers, attackers, and fighters. Going in against several La7's, niks and 109's while watching for bombers is a tall order.

C'mon, add the G6 to the CV groups, at least give the CV a buff interceptor.

[tzr]

Originally posted by Mathman
You can have your Kraut/Nazi carrier planes when I can have my F8F.

I agree with Mathman