Author Topic: Spitfire 14 is porked (Read 3859 times)

Angus · « **Reply #60 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:25:42 AM »

I rode the autoclimb on 170, and tortured the WEP every minute or so.
Actually, the plane manages a bit above 40K,however at that alt it's practically riding on the prop, and I presume the total ceiling is close to 41K instead of 44
I did not lower the speed as to those you mentioned, but will try at opportunity. BEI GELEGENHEIT! I doubt it will make up whole 7 minutes though. We´ll see.
Oh, and I do enjoy the LW threads very much indeed, hehe.
Will post later with speed comparisons etc, gotta go feed my cows:)

Kweassa · « **Reply #61 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:38:55 PM »

So you're saying a certain plane that boasts a higher rate of climb compared to another certain plane, at all altitude bands, actually climbs slower?

What's the G-2 you tested equipped with, a hyperdrive?

Arlo · « **Reply #62 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:41:02 PM »

"Teh Schpittfire was teh sukiest suk suk fitar in teh hole worl! It is teh way uber-modeled plane! Teh 109 was way muchest bettar and is teh CHIT!"

"No ... teh Spitfare is the bestest best and is porked way bad worser den it shood be. It is teh watermelon and kood kik yer gran-dad's butt!"

GScholz · « **Reply #63 on:** December 19, 2003, 02:53:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
So you're saying a certain plane that boasts a higher rate of climb compared to another certain plane, at all altitude bands, actually climbs slower?

What's the G-2 you tested equipped with, a hyperdrive?

One thing you must consider is that the 109G2 has twice the WEP time of the Spit14. Without WEP the Spi14 is a very average climber at about 3500 fpm, while the 109G2 still on WEP climbs 4500 fpm at 5k falling to 3500 fpm at 20K.

The 109G2 should out climb the Spit14 to 20K, but over 20K the Spit gains the advantage.

The Spit will out climb the 109 at first but when it reaches 8-9K the Spit looses power due to the two-stage SC and the 109 will gain superiority in climb for the next 10K. They should be pretty close to 20K.

The Spit14 is a 5-minute monster plane that becomes very average after, much like the 109G10 ... except it's a 10-minute monster that is a bit faster on the deck, which is more useful for escaping.

I wouldn't say the Spit14 is undermodelled, but it is definitively overperked.

Hap · « **Reply #64 on:** December 19, 2003, 03:46:10 PM »

i dunno understand. you take a g2, me spit14 lets climb. nefsed.

GScholz · « **Reply #65 on:** December 19, 2003, 03:56:16 PM »

Sure, I'll take the 109G2.

Widewing · « **Reply #66 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:24:53 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
One thing you must consider is that the 109G2 has twice the WEP time of the Spit14. Without WEP the Spi14 is a very average climber at about 3500 fpm, while the 109G2 still on WEP climbs 4500 fpm at 5k falling to 3500 fpm at 20K.

The 109G2 should out climb the Spit14 to 20K, but over 20K the Spit gains the advantage.

The Spit will out climb the 109 at first but when it reaches 8-9K the Spit looses power due to the two-stage SC and the 109 will gain superiority in climb for the next 10K. They should be pretty close to 20K.

The Spit14 is a 5-minute monster plane that becomes very average after, much like the 109G10 ... except it's a 10-minute monster that is a bit faster on the deck, which is more useful for escaping.

I wouldn't say the Spit14 is undermodelled, but it is definitively overperked.

I killed a Spit14 earlier this tour with a G-2. He tried to escape in a steep climb... Whoops, he'll think twice about that next time. I then went after his useless Spit9 wingman. A few minutes later, I chased down a 262 and shot off one of his elevators. He then augered, unable to pull out of his dive... Poor lil' lambchop. You have to love the under-used G-2.

My regards,

Widewing

Karnak · « **Reply #67 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:22:19 PM »

To justfy its perk price and perk tag while still offering survivability the Spitfire Mk XIV should have been modeled with 150 octane fuel. At that point it would have had the speed to escape (390mph on the deck) the gang bang its perk tag brings on it.

As it is it isn't fast enough to run and can only climb away in favorable situations (i.e., nobody above you) and can never climb away from some aircraft. As it is the Spitfire Mk XIV should either not be perked or not have a SPIT14 icon.

GScholz · « **Reply #68 on:** December 19, 2003, 06:08:58 PM »

The Spit14 needs to be perked, but not so much.

Angus · « **Reply #69 on:** December 19, 2003, 07:57:45 PM »

Why does it need to be perked? It sucks

Kweassa · « **Reply #70 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:01:06 PM »

Should be around 4~8 perks.

GScholz · « **Reply #71 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:01:20 PM »

I doesn't suck bad enough!

GScholz · « **Reply #72 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:02:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Should be around 4~8 perks.

Your own "Perk Agenda" says 20!

Kweassa · « **Reply #73 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:22:29 AM »

I changed my mind after that.

The NPA has been discussed a loooong time ago!

Wilbus · « **Reply #74 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:18:20 AM »

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Spit XIV, no wep, full load, with takeoff roll, 20K 6:46 Spit XIV, w. WEP, full load. with takeoff roll, 20K 5:50

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A fully loaded Spit XIV of production line will climb to 20K in 5 minutes smooth. In AH it takes close to 6 minutes, so the XIV is porked in that way.

Does FS and MS stand for Full stage supercharger and medium stage supercharger?

F Mk XIV, XIVE, FR Mk XIV, FR Mk XIVE.

Engines: Griffon 65, two speed, two stage super; 2,035hp at 7000ft, 1540 at take of (MS), 1,820 at 21,000ft (FS).

Griffon 85 (used for the spit 14 with counter rotating props I believe, need to read up more on it). 2,055hp at 2,750rpm 8,250ft.
Griffon 61 1,785hp at take off with 2,750rpm.

Fuel: 100 octane 18 boost (should be what we have in AH as we too have 18 boost WEP). 150 octane gives 21 boost.

Performance

Max Speed: 439 at 24,500ft (FS), 404 at 11,000 (MS), 274 at 30,000ft (FS), 220 at 35,000ft (FS). 357 at Sea Level (MS). Normal Cruise 362 at 20,000. Max dive 470.

Rate of climb 4,580ft/min at sea level (MS), 3,700 at 22,500ft (FS), 4,700 at 8000ft (MS).

Time to 20,000 7 min. Service cealing 43,000. Stall: Flaps up 87mph, down, 75. Landing 75.

Source: Spitfire The History by Eric B. Morgan and Edward Shecklady.
ISBN: 0-946219-48-6

I highly recomend it although I haven't taken the time to read a whole lot in it yet, very interesting but also very long, over 600 pages of pure facts.

Karnak, maybe you can help, which spit 14 do we have? F or Fr or non of those two? The "E" had clipped wings, right?