Etiquette

[kj714]

No whining about chutes - sorry to disappoint.

Heres my question:

Say you are above a cloud of green dots fanatically chasing a red dot on the deck about d 800 or even maybe down to 600 off the red dot. The red dot is doing a good job so nothing is really getting resolved very quickly. You know you can lead turn or drop and be on the 6 much closer and above for the shot, (above or somewhere to avoid killshooter), do you do it? Do you call it out first if you do? Do people have a true basis for being pissed?

How do you deal with an over the shoulder shooter, just pull into their tracers and kill em?

The above is one of my pet peeves, sure sucks especially in furball when a bunch of tracers come by you and its your own guy shooting them. My first guess is its the nme so I hit defense right away, leaving my target to someone else. Usually happens when I'm at d400 and my bishie friend is at about d475 it seems.

[mold]

Originally posted by kj714
Say you are above a cloud of green dots fanatically chasing a red dot on the deck about d 800 or even maybe down to 600 off the red dot. The red dot is doing a good job so nothing is really getting resolved very quickly. You know you can lead turn or drop and be on the 6 much closer and above for the shot, (above or somewhere to avoid killshooter), do you do it? Do you call it out first if you do? Do people have a true basis for being pissed?

No usually not, since if the red guy was going to be dead anyway, he'll be either dead or turning long before you get down to him.  Generally it's pretty easy to tell if the guy is getting away or not.  And if he is, of course come on down if ya want.  If he isn't getting away, then it's a waste of your time and alt so don't bother.  plus you don't want to be a part of a slavering gangbang, right?

Originally posted by kj714
How do you deal with an over the shoulder shooter, just pull into their tracers and kill em?

No, there's really no need to do anything.  If they killshooter themselves, that's too bad for them, but no need to be vindictive from your POV.

Originally posted by kj714
The above is one of my pet peeves, sure sucks especially in furball when a bunch of tracers come by you and its your own guy shooting them. My first guess is its the nme so I hit defense right away, leaving my target to someone else. Usually happens when I'm at d400 and my bishie friend is at about d475 it seems.

Hehe, yeah, that can be annoying.  But if you get into this situation often, it indicates to me that maybe your SA could stand improvement.

[Ack-Ack]

In those situations I hold back until I can see that the friendlies aren't able to either catch the bad guy or shoot him down, I'll make one high speed non-firing pass on the bogie to get him to do a break turn.  Hopefully this will give the friendlies that were chasing him a chance catch up or to shoot him down.  If the friendlies still haven't brought the bad guy down, then that is when I'll fully engage the target.



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[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by kj714
Usually happens when I'm at d400 and my bishie friend is at about d475 it seems.

Due to net lag, in most of those situations your friend is at d400 on his front end, and he sees you at d475.

[kj714]

Really?? Didn't know net lag made that much difference. So he probably thinks I'm shooting over his shoulder? If thats the case then I'm cured, it will cease to bother me.

[Blooz]

Red cons are like city buses and women....


If one gets away, another will be along in a couple minutes.

[Ghosth]

I figure if you dogfight someone from 8, 10k down to the deck you've earned the kill.

As long as hes saddled up I'll stay high & watch.

If hes NOT saddled up I'll ask, or make a low pass to disrupt the enemy but not shoot.

First come first served, = best rule unless he yells for help or is obviously outnumbered.  

Show some respect & some will come back to you. Steal every kill in sight & people will do the same to you and rightfully so.

[rod367th]

I for one always ask if pilot needs help if he's on con's 6. but if con on his no ? asked i'm down as fast as I can. And if 2 of us on con and i'm over taking lead plane I always anouce "Coming By" hold fire. this is only if con pulling away friend or if friend is 800 yds and not closing.

 367th trys to call out 6's every chance they can and I wish more would say coming by hold fire.




   To me when I see 4or more  guys on cons 6 its the 4th thru 8th that are imature pilots, It is best to gain alt for next wave. But too many imature pilots don't see big picture. And probally wonder why con's always have alt on them.



  P.S. i've seen every side have conga lines behind 1 low con at thier base. Even have screen shot of 14 guys chasing  1 con on the deck. This makes me smile know that 1 con can bring most pilots down from a good base CAP. most have alot to learn my padawins.

[Zanth]

I stay out of a 1v1 if it looks like the guy has it handled.  2v1 and greater I move on to something else.  When vulching, or in some other mindless furball mess, the rules go out window just like for everyone else.

In the example of the first and original post.  If the enemy is in a fast/faster plane that they are probably not going to catch (or not before enemy reaches help)  I am in but I am not diving into anyone's *reasonable* gun range.

[BigGun]

If I am going to be zooming down, passing in front of friendly, I normally give a quick vox call to friendly telling him I will be coming in front of him. If I bounce down for kill, depends on how much alt I have to loose & how many friendlies & nme are in vacinity.

[Steve]

Cloud of friendlies....  unless the guy is pulling away I'll pass on this.

As far as the guy shootin over your shoulder...  well this bugs me a little bit  too BUT: if the guy can get the kill before me and he is farther away... he deserves it.

If the enemy is pulling away  from the cloud, I'll zoom down for the bounce... if the guy gives me a shot I'll take it... if he breaks, I'll let the horde have him.

As far as tracers going by your shoulder and you going defensive:  Well, some friendlies will fire past you to get you to break off so they can have the kill to themselves.  Work on your SA a bit so you know where those bullets are coming from...taking frequent looks around will prevent this from happening to you.


Some people get pissed if you bounce a low con but ultimately  anything w/ a red tag is fair game.  I had a guy ***** at me the other day because I "tried to steal his kill" even though he hadn't put a single round into the guy yet.  He was mad because he had fought they guy from a higher alt all the way to the deck.  I took about 30 secs to get  to the fight since I was about on the deck.  IMHO if the guy hasn't killed him in that span, the enemy is fair game.  You'll get POV's on both sides of this scenario.. neither one is more  righteous than the other.. just differing viewpoints.

[Toad]

Over the shoulder?

Well, if I'm the guy that initially tangled with the con and you "Drop in", I'll shoot over your shoulder as if you were not there.

Usually, in the planes I fly, I have to fly defensive for a few minutes until the enemy that swooped down for an "easy kill" finally pisses away enough of his energy that I now have him on the ropes.

If you "drop in" to "help" after all that work.. yeah, you'll see my tracers over, under, around and sometimes through you shoulder.

[Elfie]

367th trys to call out 6's every chance they can and I wish more would say coming by hold fire.

Once 2 of us called out on vox that we were coming past an individual. Both of us had higher closer rates than the person we were warning. As we passed, the nme broke left and we ALL fired on him. Then I got accused of trying to kill shooter the guy who was on the nme first heh.

Sometimes it just doesn't do any good to warn people

[kj714]

Sorry Toad, you jumped to the wrong lily pad. I don't drop in on fights unannounced. I'm talking about shoulder shots after I've been on the guy for bit. Maybe sometimes the second guy in line gets impatient,  but 1. I like the chase & 2. I like to conserve my ammo, especially in the LA5. But I think if I'm dang close to the 6 and matching someone move for move, the S&P boys should give me some room.

The first question I posed is something I see quite a bit, usually after an offensive wave has been beat back and people are chasing stragglers. I usually just watch for a bit. I think I'll do the swoop and get em to break thing from now on, no kill for me but still fun. I always laff when I see 10 guys chasing 1 dot.

Gawd, there seems to be a lot of new bishies lately, has HT got a Xmas marketing campaign going on? It seems to me the # of people on when I get on is steadily and consistently increasing. What happens around 650 - 700 players mark? Can the game take it? Can they increase the max limit when necessary?

[hogenbor]

Usually it's easy to see if you can catch the NME before the chasing gangbang pack can. If so I dive down and take a shot, which is not easy with a G-10 If I don't have to put myself in a situation that is too disadvanteagous I take a shot at absolutely anything that I can get at. If someone else wants that kill, he should have gotten to the intended target first.

So a shameless killstealer then? I only once got accused of that when I managed to get a few lucky rounds in a 262 when flying a La-5. And the one who accused me of kill stealing was the 262 pilot who acted rather cheerfully and thanked all chasers for a good fight.

When flying a G-10 with it's godawful maneuverability it takes time to set up a firing pass and more often then not a more maneuverable fighter will get 'my' kill. Then I just say 'well done' and fly on.