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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2003, 10:22:01 AM »
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*shrug* impossible to say really. He had no qualms about using those WMD's against his enemies (Iran) or his own people (Kurds) though. Maybe that could be taken as an indication on his motivation to leave them unused.

I dont think the combination insane dictator + wmd is a good one. Therefore Im glad Saddam is gone.

Incidentally I dont think the combination fundamental moslem nation + wmd is a good one either, which is why Im hoping that the US or Israel will take out that Iranian nuclear reactor.


So I can safely assume you'd be overjoyed if a sabotage team from Iran destroyed the Isreali nuclear weapon stockpile then?

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« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2003, 10:27:30 AM »
IMO. To answer some of you, Why

Iraq was beatable. we choice a geographical and logistical location to stage a war on Terrorism and that was IRAQ.

not to mention Saddams criminal record made it expectable.
by any reasonable person.

We have fought many wars over Humanitarian reasons, in fact WWII was a war for humanitarian reasons but not for the ones you all think. The Germany holocaust was not known until after the US was involved. We fought because we were protecting the CHINESSE from Japanese rape of Manchuria. Japan responded by bombing Pearl Harbor we entered the war.


We went to Iraq for a few reasons. One was to stabilize the worlds oil reserves. Saddam invaded Kuwait and began to move into Saudi Arabia, He would have moved into the Emirates next but he was stopped.

Secondly we are there to put pressure on IRAN and Syria. We will be there forever, that’s right,  2 years with a full force and then a permanent  base forever, just as we have them in Cuba, Germany, South Korea etc.

Third the ties to 9/11 and AL-Quaida will be proven. WMD's where there he used them. Do you realy think he developed them used them once then decided (that was nice now let's not make any more) and we will find evidnce of that and more in time.

US was also sending a mesage to other leaders. Stop the terroist train.





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“who looked up to Hussein and saw him as a good leader, albeit a bit "harsh".

A bit harsh? Were do I began to respond to this stupid statement?


Article Title: "Separate Realities "
Author: Section: Issues & Insights    Date: 12/15/2003
 
Media: Thousands of Iraqis have marched to condemn terrorism and demand a halt to the violence. We're still waiting for the networks to offer their full reports.

And they're probably waiting, too. But not to report on Iraqis coming together against the loyalist insurgents who are trying to sabotage the construction of a liberated society.

 They're likely waiting for a handful of Iraqis to demonstrate against the coalition or march in support of Saddam Hussein.

Now that would be real news, wouldn't it? The anti-insurgent rallies haven't gone totally unnoticed by the media. There has been some light coverage.

Otherwise we would have never known that "5,000 to 10,000 Iraqis tried to send terrorists a cease-and-desist message Wednesday from downtown Baghdad," as a Knight Ridder News Service reporter described it.

Or that 4,000 or so chanted "death to terrorists" in Baghdad on Nov. 28. The Media Research Center tells us the rallies were ignored, though, by two of the major broadcast network news shows while ABC gave it a cursory treatment.

 And, as far as we can tell, not a single major daily newspaper had a march story on its front page.

However, should a subsidiary of Halliburton, the former employer of Vice President Dick Cheney, be accused of charging the U.S. government too much for its contract services in Iraq, well, then that's front-page news for The New York Times and Washington Post, and an instant obsession for the broadcast media.

 (CBS News anchor Dan Rather suggested that the "overcharges" were evidence of some nasty "war profiteering.") Never mind that this alleged overcharging has nothing to do with Cheney. Forget that it's a dispute between accountants. Don't even consider that nothing criminal or illegal has transpired.

And disregard the fact that Halliburton isn't likely to profit from the "overcharges" and that they were the outcome of Halliburton paying a subcontractor too much for gasoline. Just remember when it's time to vote next fall that in some vague way, Cheney did something wrong.

Frankly, we're a little weary of having to continue to point out that the media are dwelling on the negative and largely dismissing the positive in Iraq.

 Yet we understand. Focusing on death and dismemberment and looking for dirty deals while downplaying progress is an effective way to poison public opinion on the war and the Bush administration.

Oddly, the media's inconsistencies have actually been captured by a small corner of the press. In a Dec. 5 dispatch from Baghdad detailing the accomplishments of the Army's Civil Affairs soldiers and regular troops,

Tara Copp of Scripps Howard News Service writes: "What Iraq looks like on TV, and what Iraq looks like for the 130,000 troops living here, sometimes feels like two different realities."

 Is there a better description than that? Copp, possibly without knowing it, summarized the entire issue in less than 25 words. But, like the progress Copp was writing about, those words, too, will be sidestepped by the mainstream media.
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« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2003, 11:52:12 AM »
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Not sure Sand, maybe because Saddam was the type to hide in a hole and announce he was "The President of Iraq" and was so dillusional then said "I want to negotiate" while being captured by 600 US troops.

Funny how you put so much faith in how he should act to support your liberal views.



You're probably right... it makes much more sense to go to all the trouble of developing weapons of mass destruction and then hiding them from the rest of the world only to toss them away when you're opponent appears at the door.
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« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2003, 12:17:22 PM »
Ok, he developed WMD for defense?,
Your feaks, now pound Bush for the fake Tukey.

edit- in case it's important- Turkey is the BOOSH Devil
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« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2003, 12:26:02 PM »
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Yeah, thousands did ... in a country of millions. I think you're missing the point, how can a nation with a conscript army be so oppressed that they cannot rebel against a tyrannical ruler? Why couldn't the Iraqi majority rebel like the French against their monarchy and the Russians against the military coup attempt? Answer: Before 1991 the Iraqis were living a pretty good life, and although their leader was a brutal one, he was only brutal to those that opposed him. Most people didn't. Most people lived a good life and didn't CARE what happened to those with enough backbone to protest. You will STILL find Iraqis who looked up to Hussein and saw him as a good leader, albeit a bit "harsh". Of course life changed after 1991 for most Iraqis when the UN sanctions took their toll on Iraqi livelihoods. Sun Szu was right; the best way to bring down a ruler is to make his people suffer. How many Iraqis complained before 1991? The Kurds maybe? The Kurds are a people whom nobody cared prior to GW1, least of all the Iraqis. A fellow NATO country has been murdering Kurds for ages with out anyone raising their voice against it.



There is nothing here that indacates your contributing this to someone eles. You clamed it for yourself and therefore own the stupid statement, and or stupidity or repeating it.
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« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2003, 12:36:13 PM »
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Ok, he developed WMD for defense?,
Your feaks, now pound Bush for the fake Tukey.

edit- in case it's important- Turkey is the BOOSH Devil


Geez! Those websites, haven't seen so much hate and ignorance since I stumbled upon an Arian Nation website... :rolleyes: :(

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« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2003, 12:39:35 PM »
"We have fought many wars over Humanitarian reasons"


Can you name one?

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« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2003, 12:41:22 PM »
I did. to quote me correctly this is what I said.


"We have fought many wars over Humanitarian reasons, in fact WWII was a war for humanitarian reasons but not for the ones you all think. The Germany holocaust was not known until after the US was involved. We fought because we were protecting the CHINESSE from Japanese rape of Manchuria. Japan responded by bombing Pearl Harbor we entered the war. "


WWII, Bosnia, Kosovo.
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« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2003, 12:41:49 PM »
Kosovo comes to mind.


WWII is a bit of a stretch. There was this thing at Pearl Harbor.
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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2003, 12:47:35 PM »
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You were in WWII, Bosnia and Kosovo? Wow! I was only in Bosnia.


I'll forgive your  lack of English comprehension,it may be your second language.

WE is plural for more then one person. not Me, or I.
The use of We here indicates the US military and could include the rest of the Allies for that matter.
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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2003, 12:54:55 PM »
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You're probably right... it makes much more sense to go to all the trouble of developing weapons of mass destruction and then hiding them from the rest of the world only to toss them away when you're opponent appears at the door.


Take a breath, the trees will still be in California.

When your opponent is at the door, you've already hid them and dug a spider hole maybe?

Why to you insist on thinking on the same plane as a coward retard like Saddam?

Oh, nevermind.

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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2003, 01:02:55 PM »
Excellent counter-point. :aok
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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2003, 01:03:50 PM »
Your welcome Mr. Sandlack. :aok

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« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2003, 01:16:08 PM »
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Assuming that the WMD existed, what do you think could motivate the Iraqi to leave them unused?


     Maybe you should ask the Kurds if Saddam had any WMD.
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« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2003, 01:19:28 PM »
Well, at least we know that with war coming, SH had all the MiG-25's polished up and loaded out for combat with the imperialist Yanquis.

Didn't try to hide or bury those mighty weapons, no siree.. war coming, you want your fast interceptor ready to go.

Right?

Wouldn't want to hide or bury those babies.
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