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Offline Slash27

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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2003, 09:54:29 PM »
Is the staff going to offer up an explanation on the Spit issue here?

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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2003, 10:21:09 PM »
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Just got here, eh? I see you're hitting the boards at a run yourself. Good luck, I'm rootin' for ya. :D

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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2003, 10:22:26 PM »
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Originally posted by storch
Yea arlo and remove the banana from ur tail pipe too.


So there! Eh? lol:rofl

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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2003, 10:43:47 PM »
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Originally posted by scJazz
Too all...

The Spitfire MK V or Seafire belongs in this scenario.

[size=8]BUT![/size]

Right now the Allies have...

Best Fastest Best Best Best

Axis has... nothing ... nothing at all. Oh woe!

[size=8] And shame shame shame on you Arlo! Because ... [/size]

Crumpp has made a point

Arlo don't flame me on this or do
Do try to chill.

Read, Ponder, Respond.


Nice lecture about reading things the way you want me to.

Yay Allies! Home of the bestest turning, fastest flying, heaviest ordinance carrying, bestest looking, favored-son status planes in the game. :D

Hey ... I love all my AH brethren ... even the axis whiner side of the family.
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2003, 11:38:35 PM »
IIRC, initially the Allied fliers in the Asia/Pacific theaters found the Zeke "unbalancing" didn't they?

You'd think they'd have play balanced that scenario before using it.

Sheesh.
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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2003, 02:03:36 AM »
Just landed a 6 kill single sortie in a Franz in the CT. Boy that plane just sucks sooooo bad. ;)

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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2003, 07:11:03 AM »
This thread has changed direction completely from when it was started.

To the CT staff

Put the correct planes in the correct scenario's.  If its unbalanced then fix the problem.

Now Arlo....

YOUR the one with an agenda it seems, Arlo.  Why would you rush right out to try and prove claims that were not even made about LW Aircraft?  

Why would you so emotionally and vigirously defend a point that isn't even the topic of discussion?

Cause it doesn't advance your agenda?  You accuse Brady of not allowing open discussion and here you are throwing a temper tantrum to squelch it.

Maybe your are pissed cause I responded in kind to your sarcasm, Don't know and frankly don't care.  Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

No wonder the staff ignores you.  You prove yourself worthy of being ignored.

I'm done reading anything else you post Arlo in this thread.  You've just made the idiot catagory.  Buh Bye!!


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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2003, 07:53:19 AM »
No ... Franz. :D And thanks, Storch. Of course, I wasn't fighting Shane or Eskimo or even you at the time.

Is your squadie, Crumpp really this twisted outa shape or is this some sort of initiation ritual he has to go through during JG3 hazing week? :aok

Too bad he can't see (ptp) that I didn't take this thread to the "uber allied planeset/poor widdle picked on axis plane modeling" level. I just coasted along with it.

to Crumpp ... another brave soul of the BB, squelching away all threats. :lol

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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2003, 07:57:24 AM »
Arlo...

What you need to do is just plain old fashion SHUT THE F UP!

I point out something that is true and you ya frickin BBS monitoring got no life, halitosis havin, acne scarred bein, reject from a trailer park garbage can, need to go off on me? Can I get you a microscope for that? How abut some tweezers?

WTF is your problem? Your momma didn't breast feed you? Oh that is right amoeba don't have breasts. Damn that is scary means that you can reproduce an exact clone by fission. Great scary thought buncha yippin lil jerkwads like you running around.

Big hairy deal... you landed 6 kills in the 109F. Wow. Wait wait... wow. There I'm finished. Don't bother to respond 30seconds after I post... Best thing about this board is that you can perma-squelch non-IQ having, sit around watchin screen, porn whackin, dipwads like you!

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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2003, 08:09:11 AM »
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Originally posted by brady
The Axis Forces Surended in mid May of 43 in Tunsia, so the P47 did not particapate in the Fighting for North Africa.


Ehh....

What does the word "Surended" mean"?


I don't believe it's in any dictionary of the English language.

Offline Slash27

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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2003, 08:53:52 AM »
I don't believe it's in any dictionary of the English language.

Its in Websters Bradyspeak edition.:D

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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2003, 09:31:54 AM »
Duh......


me so sorry and vry kornfuse ed ...:confused:


tanks...

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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2003, 12:29:15 PM »
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Originally posted by scJazz
Arlo...

What you need to do is just plain old fashion SHUT THE F UP!

(Followed by a buncha yammerin' and pissy-pants gradeschool insults)

WTF is your problem?

(Followed by more pissy-pants gradeschool insults and stuff)

 


My problem? Hehehe ... hahahaha ... lololol ... this is rich! :rofl :aok
« Last Edit: December 22, 2003, 12:44:53 PM by Arlo »

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« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2003, 02:03:38 PM »
First off, it's a game...remember?

Second, I scripted this set up, on the fly because the CT Staffer who was supposed to come up with something had some personal hardship he had to deal with.  It was literally a last-minute gig, with no time to consult with each other or with the community.  Don't like, blame me.

Third: "No Spit?" "Yeah, no Spit."  Why the P-47 instead of the Spit?  First of all, the Spit has seen usuage in numerous set ups, being regularly available in BoB, BoR, BoF (where it had no business being).  One of the complaints I hear time and again from some of you is, "You never try anything different."  Well, I set this up to give people a chance, indeed, a requirement to fly some match ups we don't see that much.  I don't mean that there is no potential to see these match ups; just that when other choices are available people don't fly these birds as much.  

I clearly acknowledge it is not a completely historical match up for the time and place.  Guilty as charged, your Honor.  I believe in my set up announcement on these boards, I implied as much.  I included the Jug (the earliest model available, which is fast but not particularly nimble in most pilots' hands...and climbs like a pig), because otherwise I felt the Axis would have a significant advantage air to air.  The Hurri is too slow, the P-40 is a pitiful climber and also a tad slow.  The 109F can easily handle both the Hurri-IIC and the P-40, and is a decent match for the P-47.  P-47 has fire power, but a mediocre A2G load, poor turning (again, in all but the most skilled hands), and poor climb.  Fw190A-5 has a good gunpackage, is fast, accelerates well, and is the nimblest of the 190 series we have.  Mossie was added to give Allies some jabo capability to counter 110 and Ju87.  Bombers are a similar story, with the more versatile Ju88 pitted against the more rugged Marauder.

You can point to any one of these a/c and point out something that makes it superior in some way to some opposing a/c.  It's the aggregate that matters, not one aspect alone.  I've not heard alot of Axis complaints.  I flew Axis over the weekend, and felt neither over or undermatched.  In the end that intangible assesment, a mental summing up of gut feeling (seasoned with what facts and stats are availbable), is what I call balance.  

To sum it all up, I acknowledge that it is not a completely historical set up, but believe it to be pretty balanced on the whole.  You have the right to disagree and I will not think less of you for it.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2003, 02:06:01 PM by Sabre »
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« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2003, 03:09:23 PM »
Ok, well good summary there, thank you.  But in terms of what you are saying, I think it is prudent for me to give my thoughts on it.  

I look to the combat theatre for a re-enactment of the fighting done in many historical events.  With that being said, if we aren't doing this correctly as far as history goes, why are we even citing certain battle events?  I mean if we change the pieces of the puzzle, then the whole thing won't fit together anymore.

There are going to be some lopsided fights.  Lets face it, if you were designing aircraft for the luftwaffe or the RAF in the WWII years, you'd want to give your planes an advantage over the enemies' planes.  The pilots in the real battles had to deal with it and overcome, so should the pilots reenacting these fights.  

The only real way I could endorse to trying to even the sides, if it even is necessary, would be to either slightly perk the better spits or give the underdogs a few more guys.  I for one would be more than happy to fly for Axis if they needed guys, if for nothing else than to try to adapt and overcome the allied fighters by using better ACM and flying smarter.  

I guess to summarize, if we add and subtract planes that were not involved in the real battle, then all you are keeping consistent is the terrain and the general goal.  That being said, the entire statement mostly negates what the "Combat Theatre" is supposed to be about, or at least what I thought it was.

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