What is the Deal with all this US stuff?

[LtHans]

Ok, I've had enough.

Add any plane, somebody WILL complain.

Don't add any plane, everbody WILL complain.

It's a pretty simple choice.  Add more planes, who cares which ones.  Personally, I vote for more planes [bold]that are usefull[/bold], not cultural.  I don't want to see a Japanese plane that sits around unused, or a Russian one, or a USAAF one.  It doesn't matter.

Right now, we need more light bombers and carrier planes.  Those are the ones I would like.

[Karnak]

LtHans,

HTC is running out of units that are "useful".

It is highly unlikely that future units will be more common than the N1K2-J, a Japanese aircraft BTW, is now.

There are several Japanese aircraft that would see good usage, the Ki84-Ia or Ib obviously would, it may be the only aircraft with a hope of unseating the N1K2-J while remaining unperked. The Ki61-II would probably see decent usage.  The J2M3 might do Fw190D-9 or P-38L type of service.

The Yak-3 would be a reasonably common aircraft in MA usage.  The Il-10 might be used with some regularity.

The Me410A-1 and Mosquito FB.VI would probably see usage at about the level of the B-26B.

The G.55 and Re.2005 might, while not being representative of Italian Aircraft in WWII, give the Italians some more common visability.

I guess the A-20 or A-26 would get quite a bit of use.

Most other aircraft that would see high usage, Spitfire F.MkXIV, F4U-4, P-47M, B-29, will have to be perked.

As you can see there isn't very much left in the high usage categories, even the moderate usage categories are getting thinner.

Because of that, usage isn't a very good arguement anymore. Your assumption that someting would be unused because it is Japanese is also demonstratably false.  The N1K2-J Shiden-Kai does a good job of that, but the Ki61-I-KAIc Hien and A6M5b Zero-Sen also see decent usage.

BTW, Skurj,

Technically we have more than four bombers:

B-17G Flying Fortress
B-26B Maruader
TBM-3 Avenger

Ar234A
Ju88A-4

Lancaster Mk III

Il-2M Sturmovik

[ 08-19-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[lazs1]

mrfish... That lasz guy said pretty much what I did about the 190 looking like a delicate little perfume bottle... I also said that the 109 just looked...old.   the canopy looked like the greenhouse my first wife cobbled up with grape stakes and visqueen.   everything from the wind up starter to the guy wires on the stabs...   finally building a plane whose engine was powerful enough to make the plane compress in the straight and level.  

for lasz's benifet I would say blow me but you are LW so it might seem too much like an invitation to you.
lazs

[pdog_109]

Originally posted by Karnak:
The G.55 and Re.2005 might, while not being representative of Italian Aircraft in WWII, give the Italians some more common visability.

[ 08-19-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

Not representative of Italian aircraft?
Those are italian a/c, didn't serve with the Regia long, but with the ANR.

[AKDejaVu]

The only real solution is for HTC to shut down the game until they can model every fighter/bomber/ship/vehicle ever used in WW2.

That way we don't have to sit here and endure 75 posts arguing how unfairly represented certain planesets are.

Or.. how about being glad that there are already 4 russian fighters modeled.  Being glad that 3 Japanese fighters are modeled.  Of course, many here played WB... do you remember how long it took for that to occur there?

Sheesh.. there are 6 people working for HTC.  They are pumping out planes at a remarkable rate for those numbers.  We have a decent selection to chose from.  Quit squeaking, be thankfull.

AKDejaVu

[ra]

SKurj,

Everyone wants more planes but you and Brady only want more non-US planes.  The planeset is under constant development and it is pretty well balanced by late war standards.

The Japanese may have produced many aircraft types but most of the fighters they produced were either Oscars or Zekes.  The Oscar (6000 built) would be worthless in the MA so they got the N1K2 (450 built).  There aren't many potent Japanese planes built in any numbers that are left to model.

Most Japanese bombers and all Italian bombers would be worthless in the current late war bias of the game, so I have no problem waiting for the planeset to fill in some more before we get an SM 79.  

The A-26 would be nice though.


ra

[Toad]

Look, they've seen the multiple "what aircraft would you like to see modeled" threads.

Ever stop to think there may be other considerations in modeling than what a small percentage of AH players.. the BBS users.... have at the top of the "plane du jour" list?

Data availability?

Gameplay considerations?

Programming/Artwork labor availability?

They can't model them all at once. They will model them all eventually.

If your favorite is being overlooked, why not get off your duff and get some good RELIABLE, verifiable data and send it to them along with good pictures of the interior and exterior. That's work that someone has to do... so do it.

Otherwise, be at one with the AH cosmos my brothers. There is a plan... it's just not ours and we're not privy to it.  

[brady]

Since when is production number's a factor in deciding wheather or not to model a plane?

 I never said I did not want any more US planes( I would love to see the A 26, PBY,P 40).
  My olny point is that the Americans cup runith over, time to share the modeling time  with the less favored countries this is not about what my favorate plane is, this about whats fair, I do not think 20 some odd US plane's to 3 Japanese and 2 Italian planes is fair.

 ra, pick up a book man thier are tons of late war planes for Japan that would do nicely in the MA, Peggy, frances, and randy to name but 3.

[Pyro]

Ok, look at what I specifically asked and look at the responses.  Nobody seems to want to take an unpopular stance and come out and say something like "The Ki-84 should have been modeled instead of the P-47."  Instead it's just "I'd do more of this and more of that."  Well that's just preaching to the choir.  We obviously agree as we do the more part with every version.  I asked what U.S. planes should not have been done so that we instead could have some of these other planes.  The closest answer to that was Zero variants instead of P-47 variants.  Ironically, I don't see how that would be better without the addition of even MORE U.S. planes, namely F4Fs, P40s, P39s, etc.  

Not all units are introduced just for the main arena.  Not all units are introduced just for the immediate effect.  Some units are introduced to fill a specific niche and won't have an immediate counterpart, e.g. the PT boat, LVTs, halftracks, etc.  In time, they'll get their counterparts but for now they have to hold down that role by themselves.  Why are so many of those units U.S.?  Because I don't care what nationality is used to fill those roles, I just want the best choice for that role since most of them are in pretty vulnerable roles.  In time, it won't matter anyway.  What would have been better choices there?  

Why the LVT?  What are my choices?  Why the C-47?  Ju 52 has the popgun but the C-47 is faster and is also the easier model to make.  Why the M3?  Best combination of speed and firepower.  Why the M8?  See M3.  Why the Panzer IV?  I didn't think it'd be the only tank in the game still.  Otherwise I probably would have opted for the Sherman because it's a little better armored against plane attacks and has better AA defense.

Don't like the Hurricane?  Sorry but a lot of other people do.  It gives us a couple of cool planes now and sets up future additions nicely.  Add a 110 and a few variants and we have a decent BoB set.  

I've made these choices over a 100 times and the one thing they all have in common is that you're guaranteed that some people won't like it.  They won't see it as progress, they'll see it as sins of omission.  The more you add, the more sins you make.  Nothing I can do about that.  There's no reason why we can't do just about everything, but we can't do it all at once.

[Creamo]

There's no reason why we can't do just about everything, but we can't do it all at once.

1.08 will suffice.

[pdog_109]

One thing, if there is ever a BoB scenario those 20mm Hurri's gotta go  

[leonid]

Originally posted by watjen:
Maybe because it was the United States which played the largest part in the defeat of the Axis?

LOL!!!!  Oh, yeah, and there really is a Santa Claus too  

[DeeZCamp]

I create 3d models via Maya, and lightwave, perhaps I can aid in creation process by doing test projects.  

[ra]

Brady,

Maybe you would prefer it if the current planeset had 5 US, 5 German, 5 Italian, 5 Russian, 5 Japanese, and 5 British planes.

To me that seems way more unbalanced than what we have, and it would be impossible for HTC to continue that ratio for long, they would begin to run out of useful non-US planes to model.

Of the planes you listed probably only the Randy has MA potential.  The Emily would be fun because you fly it off the water, but the 4.5K bombload would make it unattractive for heavy buffers.  The Peggy could replace the Ju-88 as the torpedo/suicide CV killer, but as a level bomber the 3.5K bombload would also be insufficient.

There are lots of planes from every country which don't have much use in the MA and I'm waiting eagerly for each of them.  But the MA planeset is not any more lopsided than the real late war planeset was.

ra

[Thrax]

Well put Pyro < s >