Author Topic: Khadafi = Peacemaker (Read 1492 times)

Toad · « **Reply #45 on:** December 21, 2003, 02:36:40 PM »

Nice dodge on Libya there. Don't want to talk about it? I understand. After all, there's no way that watching the coalition assemble an invasion force... specifically over the issue of Iraqi WMD..... and then rolling up the Iraqi army like a cheap, worn-out carpet could have possibly influenced Muammar. You know that in your heart of hearts, don't you?

Yep, terrorism level at the top now. I suppose your intimation will be that our invasion of Iraq caused this?

We've been in open warfare since 9/11. Anyone that thought it was "over" after Afghanistan or "over" after Iraq is/was a fool, IMO.

It's a clash of two heartfelt ideologies and it will probably go on for a long time yet. Certainly the rest of my life, I think.

In the end, freedom will win out over repression. And, to all but a blind few, the side promoting freedom of choice isn't the one slapping burkas on women, preventing them from going to school... well, you get the idea.

To all but a blind few.

AKIron · « **Reply #46 on:** December 21, 2003, 03:05:07 PM »

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I just saw a press conference on CNN where the Homeland Security folks said they have raised the security alert to orange. Highest number of confirmed intelligence yet suggests an attack on US soil is imminent.

Yes the truth will set you free ... let's hope not in a bad way.

No one ever said said the war on terror would be easy or without casualties. It's about time someone stepped up to take the war to them, and here we are. No thanks needed.

Lizking · « **Reply #47 on:** December 21, 2003, 03:18:34 PM »

Unfortunately, so far I have been mostly right.

I get tired of a blue sky, sometimes, what color is it in your world?

Toad · « **Reply #48 on:** December 21, 2003, 03:31:30 PM »

Yes, either you or I might die tomorrow morning. Hit by a bus, killed by a jealous lover.. you just never know, do you?

The posters aren't as polarized as you think, IMO. I know, for example, that a lot of the US guys I disagree with here on this BBS would receive my instant support if they or theirs were threatened. We may argue and fight viciously between ourselves, but we also band together for the common good easily and quickly. 9/11 highlighted that aspect of our society as well.

I do think there's a clear split between those that, for whatever reason, can't bring themselves to see the US as anything other than stupid, evil, imperialistic or a combination of all three. There's some people here that would choke if they had to let a good word about the US slip out of their throats.

No longer friends? Well, my dad always said "tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who and what you are".

So, if folks that would rather champion and defend mass murderers and Islamic lunatics don't like us and are not our "friends" ...... if folks that can only point out the mistakes we've made while ignoring the good we do and excusing the atrocities committed by the people we now oppose...........well, that's a good thing in my book.

I wouldn't want have that sort of "friend".

I'm sure you think you've been mostly right. Heck, it took a multitude of posts to get you to admit you were totally wrong about Libya and the NPT and that's a clear cut black and white issue. So, I'm sure you think you're "mostly right" about anything else. Be advised...... you'd get disagreement there too. You might even get "ganged".

Yeah, my countrymen are dying. You bet. I don't like it a bit.

And, whether YOU like to believe it or not, their sacrifice may well have been the key factor in removing WMD from Libya. Only a lunatic would think that's not a good thing.

And the Libyan change of heart my in turn cause Iran to re-think it's position. You realize the UN/IAEA has a sneaking suspicion that Iran is violating the NPT as well, don't you?

Bottom line is, my countrymen are trying. Pretty clear where their thumbs are and where their thumbs aren't.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #49 on:** December 21, 2003, 03:34:28 PM »

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The US has done a lot of things right, I'm just not sure if the US has done anything in this case (except being a part of the UN sanctions on Libya).

What BS... I know you are ignoring me, but damn GS your anti-US bias is really showing here...

What about the 9 months ( since late march, what a coincidence huh) of US/UK/Libya negotiations that closed this deal? Really GS you are really loosing it... No way, the USA did nothing right - it was all the mighty UN..

What a tard you seem to have become, why such an anti-US bent, saying we did nothing right with this Libya thingg, why such an extremen illogical and unreasonable stance... I'm not sure if I should even care anymore that i hurt our friendship because of my pain over srebrenica, should I care anymore GS?

Toad · « **Reply #50 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:00:05 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz

Well Iran have WMD, they used it during the war and has not been ordered to destroy it. Do they try to develop nukes? Most likely.

And so when the UN/IAEA and UN/SC finally pull their thumbs out and demand that Iran give up it's WMD where will you stand?

Don't bother, I already know.

and

Don't worry, if we have too, we'll do it again without you.

Hortlund · « **Reply #51 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:14:11 PM »

GS...Read it and weep.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3338413.stm

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Some reports suggest the negotiating position of the US and Britain was strengthened when materials destined for Libya's illegal weapons programmes were seized.

The previously undisclosed operation is understood to have been carried out under the Proliferation Security Initiative launched by the US in September with the aim of halting the flow of WMD.

No details have emerged of what was found, or where it came from.

Hortlund · « **Reply #52 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:24:08 PM »

S o w h a t ?

"Arabs push for Israel to disarm" only shows just how far from reality these guys really are.

Anyway, are you going to give the US some credit for this or are you going to keep side stepping? It hurts to be on the wrong side doesnt it?

Toad · « **Reply #53 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:47:48 PM »

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but he destroyed his and got whipped anyway.

I think you're a bit premature with this assessment. I'd expect nothing less from you, however. I have two reasons now to hope that Big Mustache gives up the location of his WMD.

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I'll continue to sidestep

Please do. I'd hate to see you choke.

Toad · « **Reply #54 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:51:17 PM »

I'd love to gamble with you sometime, if that's the case.

Toad · « **Reply #55 on:** December 21, 2003, 05:02:20 PM »

You're just proving you don't even know what "ad hominem" means.

Toad · « **Reply #56 on:** December 21, 2003, 05:25:52 PM »

No, quite obviously you don't.

Toad · « **Reply #57 on:** December 21, 2003, 05:46:31 PM »

Your problem is that I did not attack you personally. I simply pointed out a historical fact.

I mentioned the Dutch; if you're honest in your profile, you're from Norway.

So, take umbrage all you like, there's no way you can construe that as a personal attack and it doesn't "appeal to emotion".

It's historical fact that the Dutch failed miserably in their mission. In that linked article, Jagger states:

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The UN Dutch battalion was even giving the Bosnian Serbs the fuel to drive the buses that brought the victims to the execution sites and the bulldozers which ploughed the corpses of their victims into the ground.

As for leaving the Blues on the shelf, the other historical fact is that NATO had to intervene to stop the slaughter there. Despite the UN troops in place, the UN could not bring itself to act.

So there's no "appeal to emotion" in that part either.

Now, I can understand why this is a very touchy subject for you.