Set up for Friday, 26 December

[simshell]

Originally posted by storch
  the spit in AH enjoys an equal turnability with zeke


LOL:rofl  equal turnability with the zeek you got to be kidding be right the the older zeek owns everthing in a turnfight it can even beat the val i think

anyone that makes that statment does not know the zero it flips around the sky like a helcopter with unreal turning and looping ability

the only way the spit can win is by the HO and boom zoom

and of course team work can get the job done

[LtMagee]

Toad,

They are refering to the A6M5. The A6M3 is not available in AH....or did I miss something?

[Toad]

Originally posted by Sabre
"Attack on Darwin"


 The Spitfires actually deployed to Darwin were mostly the Spit-V model.  I’m using the Spit-I to make up for the fact that we don’t have the A6M3 to counter it, plus to simulate the poor performance of the Spits due to maintenance issues.
Set up by Sabre

[Batz]

The a6m2 has type 99 Mk 1 guns the a6m3 has type 99 Mk 2s.

The a6m3 model 32 had clipped wings.

The a6m3 model 22 did not, it had the same wings as the a6m2 model 21 which had folding wing tips for storage aboard carriers.

The a6m3 model 32 saw service before the model 22. It had clipped wings to avoid the production complication of the A6M2 Type 21's folding wingtips. It carried less fuel so there was a reversion to the full-span wing with folding tips with the A6M3 Model 22.

I see no reason why the spit 5 shouldn’t be included especially over the spit Mk 1. If you are concerned with the firepower issues with the type 99 Mk 1s then sub the a6m5 for the a6m3. There are not that many differences for it to matter. At least not to the same degree as going from the spit 5 to the spit 1.

Its ok to be an F4u hater, after all these guys are a dime a dozen in the ct. But don't hate the spitfire. Most spit pilots like to fight rather then run or suicide jabo.

oh BTW Merry Christmas........

[scJazz]

Honestly... I don't think there is anything wrong with the setup as shown. Really:aok

The fighters are well matched. The hvy bomber issue is not an issue. Both sides have limited JABO ability. This setup is OK except for one small detail. My Hellcat is missing.

[brady]

Ammo load on the A6M3 was also greater at 100rpg as aposed to 60 rpg for the A6M2.


  Realy I think sabres set up is a nice one, more is not always better and this is defentaly somthing new which will be fun to try if for no other reasion than that alone.

[Sabre]

Originally posted by storch
Would it be christmas if we didn't ellicit a solid NO from CT staff   wait till 4/1/2004

NO!

Seriously, the P-38 didn't make an impact in this theater until about Jan 1943, as I recall, and it was the F model.  A6M5 is late '44 a/c, which is tougher than either the M2 or M3, has better guns/ammo load, and will stay with a Hellcat in a dive (in AH, at least).  Hurricane did not see service in this theater, as far as my sources say.  While the air offensive against Darwin went on into '43, I chose to push the time window more towards the beginning, i.e. early '42.  Earliest raids on Darwin were in Feb '42, and were conducted from carriers.  After Rabaul was captured, they began making raids from there, though it was a long haul.  In fact, only the Betty, escorted by the Zero, had the range to  hit Darwin from Rabaul.  That's why the Allies were on the defensive at Darwin until after the success of the Buna offensive.  This set up is my tribute to the gallant defense of Australia by the intrepid ANZAC forces, with help from the initially weak US 5th AF.  And as Brady mentioned, I like the fact that the plane match ups will be something not seen in the CT before, or in the MA for that matter.  Give it a chance.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Batz
Its ok to be an F4u hater, after all these guys are a dime a dozen in the ct. But don't hate the spitfire. Most spit pilots like to fight rather then run or suicide jabo.  

F4U hater?

F4U whiner is the correct term, I believe.

Brady! Save us from the F4U!!!!

Ahhh ... if you hadn't have bailed on the CT altogether he may have kept more vigilance.

See? Sometimes tossing bait in the pond will just get you in deep water and missing some limbs.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of yas since I got rid of that crappy Logitech. C'mon back and us "dime a dozen" Corsair pilots'll give you a "warm reception." Heh. Yeah .... riiiiight. Like you'd risk .... whatever it is you're afraid to risk.

Not gonna happen ... we know.

[LtMagee]

Most spit pilots like to fight rather then run or suicide jabo.  

Basicaly is what the axis guys have been doing for the past four weeks, suicide runs that is:rolleyes:

[Slash27]

I think you have a nice little set up there Sabre. Looks like fun with room to expand later to include more AC, if you want.

[scJazz]

Originally posted by Sabre
NO!

 

Ahhh the spirit of giving is alive and well this Christmas;)

[Toad]

I thought the Model 32 had Type I cannon and the Model 22 the Type 2 Cannon.

343 or so 32's and 560 Modle 22's or something like that, right?

[brady]

To the best of my Knowledge(refrences) this is true, the first production A6M3's had the type 99 MK I's althought they had the larger 100 rpg ammo load from the get go prety much(the 4 produced and on), all other A6M3 production was with the type 99MK II. Production  numbers for the variouis types are hard to arive at aparently do to some considerable varances in production figures from the factorys involved.

[Löwe]

Originally posted by storch
i agree with batz put in the spit V, leave the A6M2 add the A6M5, add the Hurri which was also there and gimme a Ki45 (Bf 110) properly skinnned so i can Jabo, and a partridge in a pear tree (better have pears on it too)  Oh almost forgot didn't the aussies have the P40F at this time?  don't forget the P38.

Storch this is not just aimed at you. How many people have complained lately about wanting the CT staff, to quit trying to balance the setups for fairness? Demanding more historical accuracey. Everyone read the scenario behind the set-up. It's Darwin early 1942. It's based on the actual raids the IJN did on Australia. The aircraft included in this setup are as close as you can  get to the actual aircraft using the AH stable.

 So before we start filling this thread with aircraft we all think should be included,  or even worse the accusations of Axis, or Allied bias . Remember the battle Sabre's trying to re-create, and the time period. Lets just fly the thing .

[Squire]

A6M5 as a stand in as an A6M3 and Spit V makes a lot more sense.

As for servicability, thats never modelled in the CT or any other place in AH. All a/c (even Japanese) had problems with the Pacific climate, as they did with the desert. The Ki-61 had bad serviceability in the Solomons and New Guinea as well. IJ metal could rust too, shocking as that sounds.

"The aircraft included in this setup are as close as you can get to the actual aircraft using the AH stable."

Not sure I get this at all really. The RAAF operated the Spit V there and its being left out, along with the P-40E, also absent, in their place, are 2 a/c  that were not there, the P-40B and the Spitfire I. All that just for want of an A6M3? who's going to complain if the A6M5 stands in? at least its a workable setup then. No Betty?

The Seafire actually makes a better "Darwin Spit", because of the markings I think.

...oh btw, there were no P-38s, Hurricanes, or Ki-45s deployed in that campaign.