190A-4, a nightmare ?

[janneh]

Just thought what could happen, when 190A-4 arrives. Present 190A-8 has capability to do some turn fights too, even it's so heavily armed / armored (=heavy). You can see lots of 190 up there, but just think about when 190A-4 will be modelled. Because it's lighter than A-8 they got to model it a better turning. That will bring our arena full of 190's and then we have this "WB Main arena syndrome"; 190's, P-51's and of course spits.
In WB You just can't turn A-8, it'll stall immediatly (in average pilots hands).
IMO, AH A-8's near to WB A-4 in FM, now what could be AH A-4 FM !?!

[v-twin]

They finally will become what they were in RL: very very DANGEROUS opponents...

v-twin
4°Stormo Caccia

[Kats]

The reason is because WB's A8 is buggered and flys much to heavy. The FW series in WB does not add up when you crunch the numbers. Turn rates are off as well as turn radius' and Cv.

No real comment for AH's A8 since they have said up front that the FM's are very basic at this point.

[Fishu]

It is 190A-5 what is the next version of fockewulf, not A-4  
190A-8 turns nicely even in WB, if just handles it right (I've always liked how A-4 turns in WB)
You can't turn 190a8 too well in AH if you dont know how to fly it, also, turn rate isnt everything.

[-lynx-]

v-twin:

What's missing in this case is the RL numbers/plane ratios, right? Somehow I doubt that every other plane was a 190, however good/dangerous the FW really was.

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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF

[funked]

Lynx:  You need to look at the Luftwaffe order of battle...

[dolomite]

With around 20,000 made, I'm sure you would see one or two up there...

[-lynx-]

funked - let's see it, start from September 1941 if you please...

(dolomite - I don't know actual numbers but 20,000+??? According to Meng's FW variants webpage the most mass produced version would be A5 - with the rest of 190s (including 152s) accounting for only ~4,700 A5 must have ruled the sky... All 15,300+ of them...)

(A5 is the only version with no production numbers on this webpage )

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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF

[This message has been edited by -lynx- (edited 12-21-1999).]

[fats]

Aircraft Monograph 4
Fw 190A/F/G/S part I
ISBN 83-86208-35-X

Fw 190A-1 102
Fw 190A-2 420
Fw 190A-3 ?
Fw 190A-4 900+
Fw 190A-5 ?
Fw 190A-6 569
Fw 190A-7 80
Fw 190A-8 1,334(+)
Fw 190A-9 ?

Fw 190F-1 ?
Fw 190F-2 271
Fw 190F-3 247
Fw 190F-8 ? ( until feb '45 115 F-8/Pb 1 planes, after which Pb 2 replaced it? )
Fw 190F-9 ?
All in all ~7000 F-series

Fw 190G-1 ?
Fw 190G-2 ?
Fw 190G-3 ?
Fw 190G-8 ?
All in all ~800 G-series

All in all 17000+ radial engined Fw 190s


Aircraft Monograph 6
Fw 190D/Ta 152
ISBN 83-86208-54-6

Fw 190D-9 674 delivered
Fw 190D-12 ? apparently none saw action cause of no fuel

Ta 152 total of all versions 67

Squadron/Signal Publications
Focke Wulf Fw 190 in action
ISBN 0-89747-018-4

Fw 190A-1 100
Fw 190A-2 400+
Fw 190A-3 500+
Fw 190A-4 ?
Fw 190A-5 ?
Fw 190A-6 569
Fw 190A-7 ~80
Fw 190A-8 1300+
Fw 190A-9 ?

Fw 190F series ?

Fw 190G series ?


Various magazines:
Fw 190A-1 102
Fw 190A-2 426
Fw 190A-3 509
Fw 190A-4 894
Fw 190A-5 723
Fw 190A-6 569
Fw 190A-7 80
Fw 190A-8 1334
Fw 190A-9?

Fw 190F series until F-8 1133, F-9 unknown
Fw 190G not mentioned in any magazine I had

Dunno if those figures are in line with the web site mentioned earlier, and haven't bothered to add them up to see how they compare against the suggested 17000+ or even 20000+ figures. Thought I'd post them for anyone who's interested.

Even these figures contradict them selves, see Aircraft Monograph 4 total for F-series and compare it to what I got from some magazine article: ~7000 vs. 1133 ( F-8 or pre ). Which would mean there were 6000 or so F-9s with the BMW 801TS, TH or TU engine?


//fats

[dolomite]

My apologies for any furor, the 20,000 figure was intended to be very rough... I'm at work and don't have the total production figures at my fingertips!   The gist was that numerically the 190 was the second most important fighter of the LW, and that one would most likely be able to see a variant in any theatre of the war, and in numbers.

[fats]

Dolomite,

Look up how many Fw 190As in MTO vs Bf 109s. They weren't that numerous over there, cause most of the time there weren't any.


//fats

[-lynx-]

Ok, looked up 190 in D Monday's Axis Aircraft - "no accurate production figures appear to exist but estimated ~19,500 aircraft were built" vs ~35,000 109s and taking into account that introduction was bugged by "teething problems" (engine overheating/inadequate armament) not resolved untill A4 (guns)/A5 (engine). This, in turn, means that until late 1942 (deliveries of A4 _started_ during Summer 1942) 190 was not a factor - 109 was.


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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF

[fats]

I recall that A-3 solved last of the engine cooling problems with the new exhaust louvres (sp?), and its deliveries started some time spring ( no I am not nuts enough to remember dates ) 1942.

Also the guns were addequate for fighter-vs-fighter since A-2: 2xMG 17 and 2xMG 151/20. Many of A-4's had the 2xMG FF removed. Making it similarily armed to A-2.


//fats

[dolomite]

Did some checking myself... this is one source I found:

The Illustrated History of Fighters Finsbury Books-

Production:
A (all variants) 19,424;
D-9 650;
F (all variants) 550;

Total production 20,624

 

The Fw 190 was to see service on every front where the Luftwaffe fought...

Thought I'd seen that production number somewhere before...

[Jochen]

 

This, in turn, means that until late 1942 (deliveries of A4 _started_ during Summer 1942) 190 was not a factor - 109 was.

Guess you should ask was the early Fw 190 variants a factor from Spitfire V pilots in channel front?

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