Author Topic: Suggestion to cure dive-bombing Lancs (Read 1415 times)

dedalos · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2004, 10:24:52 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
He pulls back on the stick and release from an arc.

HiTech

I think we are in agreement here. That is the only way to safely do it and thats perfectly fine. I am not complaining about someone that points the nose down a little to gain some speed and aim better.
The problem is that they don't do that. Most of the times the LANCs hit the carier at the same time (or a few seconds latter) the bombs do. I guess you can say that a suacide attack is valid (and it is) but they get to penalize 50 people when they sink the carier with no penalty to them for dieing ( they actualy get rewarded with perks for that)

vorticon · « **Reply #31 on:** January 06, 2004, 10:33:09 AM »

only trick is as soon as the lanc stops working for em...they'll switch over to the stuka...and lo while widewings solution could work...it wont...the only way to stop it is by making something bad happen when you die...may i suggest a if a person dies they have to wait X amount of minutes before there allowed to reup (there are problems with this but Americas Army has a similar thing and they still have near a million active players...)

dedalos · « **Reply #32 on:** January 06, 2004, 10:40:35 AM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
only trick is as soon as the lanc stops working for em...they'll switch over to the stuka...and lo while widewings solution could work...it wont...the only way to stop it is by making something bad happen when you die...may i suggest a if a person dies they have to wait X amount of minutes before there allowed to reup (there are problems with this but Americas Army has a similar thing and they still have near a million active players...)

Yes, but they can bring only one stucka with them and I can out run it with a panzer. Bring the stuckas in. They are dive bombers anyway. I think with the stucka having no defence and being so slow, it would be panishment enough for dieing.

vorticon · « **Reply #33 on:** January 06, 2004, 10:48:10 AM »

what would stop them from bringing more...anyway there not much slower than a lancaster...

dedalos · « **Reply #34 on:** January 06, 2004, 11:00:18 AM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
what would stop them from bringing more...anyway there not much slower than a lancaster...

They don't fly in formations and they don't have tail guns ( that can actually hurt you). The last time I flew one, it was climing at 1000 feet per minute at 150. It would take them an hour to get to the cv with some alt. The CV ack would be enough to stop them.

vorticon · « **Reply #35 on:** January 06, 2004, 11:09:33 AM »

they only need one...they are armed with a 1800kg bomb (thats similar to the lancaster 4000lb bomb)

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The last time I flew one, it was climing at 1000 feet per minute at 150. It would take them an hour to get to the cv with some alt. The CV ack would be enough to stop them.

150mph = 10 minutes to go 25 miles...that means by the time it reaches a CV 1 sector away it will be at 10k alt if it were to take off at sea level...

dedalos · « **Reply #36 on:** January 06, 2004, 11:32:08 AM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
they only need one...they are armed with a 1800kg bomb (thats similar to the lancaster 4000lb bomb)

150mph = 10 minutes to go 25 miles...that means by the time it reaches a CV 1 sector away it will be at 10k alt if it were to take off at sea level...

Well, thats fine. They are a dive bomber and if no one gets them flying at 150, at low alt, and heavy for 10 minutes, and then they make it through the ack, they earned the kill. I don;t think it is the same as a diving formation of LANCs or even worse B17s. Two guys can brink two stuckas. 2 guys can bring 6 b17 that have very good defences and one of the six will make it through the ack/fighters.

hitech · « **Reply #37 on:** January 06, 2004, 11:35:20 AM »

Last I checked your drones will not follow you in a dive?

HiTech

vorticon · « **Reply #38 on:** January 06, 2004, 11:38:58 AM »

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Well, thats fine. They are a dive bomber and if no one gets them flying at 150, at low alt, and heavy for 10 minutes, and then they make it through the ack, they earned the kill. I don;t think it is the same as a diving formation of LANCs or even worse B17s. Two guys can brink two stuckas. 2 guys can bring 6 b17 that have very good defences and one of the six will make it through the ack/fighters.

doesnt matter if they make it through the ack...all they have to do is release before it kills em...

dedalos · « **Reply #39 on:** January 06, 2004, 11:52:33 AM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
doesnt matter if they make it through the ack...all they have to do is release before it kills em...

As mach as don't like losing the CV and the furball with it, thats how it was in real life. If you released the bombs it did not mater if you died after.

Think about it. The stucka would have to fly heavy, slow, and for a big part of its fligth, low. Then it would have to make it over the furball, then through the ack (its not a 17, a single ack ping will take it down), stay alive long enough to aim and then release the bomb. I think if it got to that point, the guy earned the kill.

I bet you you will never see a stucka killing a CV (OK maby rearly)

Roscoroo · « **Reply #40 on:** January 06, 2004, 12:16:02 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Last I checked your drones will not follow you in a dive?

HiTech

I can get the Drones to follow me .. (guilty of HQ porking w/ lanc's successfully

) and I do it all the time porking zone supplys w/ JU 88 drones . just slow way down start to dive, the drones fly by '.' drop payload and level off shove the throttle to the dash and zoom away .'.

the thing i notice thats in error is the zero G drop and when the bombs come up thru the plane and back down .

Seeker · « **Reply #41 on:** January 06, 2004, 12:22:14 PM »

Limiting the heavies to level bombing sounds fine, but...

1) If we ever get the He 177; it was a dive bomber (dumb, but true).

2) Lancs "dive bombed" (bombardier's words) the third of the dams in the "dambusters" raid (Sorbel?)

3) Do a google on "toss" or "loft" bombing.

(That's a B-47 starting it's bomb run, that is...)

MetaTron · « **Reply #42 on:** January 06, 2004, 01:01:03 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Last I checked your drones will not follow you in a dive?

HiTech

They follow alright.

Widewing · « **Reply #43 on:** January 06, 2004, 01:36:58 PM »

For some interesting info on WWII aerial bombs, their fuzing and safe release altitude see this webpage

My regards,

Widewing

bj229r · « **Reply #44 on:** January 06, 2004, 04:41:43 PM »

Lancs are a LOT faster then Stuka...Lanc does 230-240 level, Stuka takes about 3 days to get ONE plane up to 12-15k, which is where ya might wanna start dive from..im thinkin goons are even faster than Stukas

(Hitech, ok, allow eggs to be released in dive at 1 G....if plane is at 2 G's or more, egg blows up in bomb bay?...not totally an unlikely possibility----one could ensure the 1 G with a SHIFT X dive, but it would be hard to do last moment compensations for cv turning, etc)