Author Topic: The Government is here to help you... (Read 4067 times)

Sandman · « **on:** December 30, 2003, 12:03:26 PM »

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20031230/ts_nm/health_ephedra_dc

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The FDA has reports of 155 deaths of people who took ephedra and more than 16,500 complaints.

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"There is no single piece of evidence that stands out," he said.

boxboy28 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2003, 12:14:30 PM »

Ephedrine - my bestest friend some days!
Just got back from N.C they got to good stuff thats 25 mg per pill!
and you can buyem by the bottle (60 count)

Here in Mi. its only 15 mg per pill! and you pay the same price but there all blister packed individually ! sucks

But i got six bottles worth the good stuff!

too bad all the people making CRANK out of it ruined it for the rest of us!

miko2d · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2003, 12:16:11 PM »

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"Ephedra is an adrenaline-like stimulant that can have potentially dangerous effects on the heart," the FDA said in a statement.

Damn, what about the adrenaline itself!

Just like the tiny minority of people genetically predisposed to suffer ill-effects from abuse of Ephedra in combination with strenuous exercise, some people may - and do - die from over-production of adrenaline.

The government mush outlaw any activity that elevates adernaline levels.

No sports. No action or horror movies. No porn. No scanty, revealing or sugestive closing on women. No laying off people older than 30 and those at risk. No newspaper articles than may inspire controversy. No news reports. No tea or coffee. No sex except for procreational purposes - and that under medical supervision only.

If a single sickly person dies a few years prematurely because we refuse to ruin our economy and install a socialist paternalistic police state - that's one death too many.

Down with consumer's choice. Down with the free market.

miko

rpm · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2003, 01:05:04 PM »

They (The Government)are just looking out for you, since you are not smart enough to look out for yourself. Government always knows best.

Dago · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2003, 01:29:17 PM »

I am rather curious miko, how mucy research have you done to assure yourself, and all of us that noone died as a result of ephedra use that didn't abuse the stuff, and didnt fall into a high risk group?

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2003, 01:34:43 PM »

Ephedra is dangerous.

Read about it and stop blaming your ignorance on Bush.

Mini D · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2003, 01:35:24 PM »

Hmmm... not really seeing the problem here. The FDA banned a supliment? So?

MiniD

lazs2 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2003, 01:47:17 PM »

miko.. don't worry... if we continue to let women vote they will make sure that we don't do any of those things that might "excite" us.

lazs

kappa · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2003, 01:47:51 PM »

Makes you wonder when the Fed will start prosecuting tweekers caught using the stuff... sad sad sad...

Seems the manufacturer of this drug didnt know how to play the game.. Not enough greased hands and they are suppose to market the drug directly to doctors and place adds on the TV explaining why you should consult your doctor for better energy/weight loss.... The FDA loves those type drugs..

Furious · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:06:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Ephedra is dangerous.

Read about it and stop blaming your ignorance on Bush.

An herb that killed .0000005167% of the U.S. population is dangerous?

... and you are the first retard in this thread to mention bush.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:18:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
An herb that killed .0000005167% of the U.S. population is dangerous?

... and you are the first retard in this thread to mention bush.

Have a gander at the title of the thread, boy wonder.

You can put two and two together, no?

miko2d · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:27:29 PM »

Dago: I am rather curious miko, how mucy research have you done to assure yourself, and all of us that noone died as a result of ephedra use that didn't abuse the stuff, and didnt fall into a high risk group?

I do not care at all how many people died as a result of ephedra - as long as nobody forced them to take it, it was their - or their adult parents - responcibility to research what they are putting into their bodies.
Or rather, I do care but I do not agree that the government should make the choices for us.

If you want to issue warnings and place posters everywhere about the dangers of ephedra, or driving above 20 miles per hour, or watching TV, or drinking homogenised milk, or wearing skimpy clothes causing skin cancer - I will donate money to your campaign and maybe march with a poster for a few hours.
If the government jails people selling ephedra to the minors - I will applaude, since the minors are not legally capable of giving informed reasoned consent.

But it is not constitional or legitimate for the government to coercively impose choices this way. The government just does not legitimately posess such powers.

miko

Dago · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:29:47 PM »

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An herb that killed .0000005167% of the U.S. population is dangerous?

Statistics might be a little more representative if you compared deaths to users, not deaths to everyone in the country, most of who never used it.

Here is part of the story:

It was the government's first-ever ban on a dietary supplement, one that comes eight years after the Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) first began receiving reports that ephedra could be dangerous.

Ephedra once was hugely popular for weight loss and body building. But it can cause life-threatening side effects even in seemingly healthy people who use the recommended doses, because the amphetamine-like stimulant speeds heart rate and constricts blood vessels. It is particularly risky for anyone with heart disease or high blood pressure or people engaging in strenuous exercise.

Wolfe petitioned the government for a ban in 2001, when the agency had reports of 81 deaths. That number now is 155; also, FDA has reports of more than 16,000 health complaints from ephedra users.

Sales already have plummeted because of publicity about the herb's dangers, which peaked after the ephedra-related death of Baltimore Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler last February.

I am not particulary in favor of the Government controlling everything about our lives, but sometimes actions must be taken to protect the health of people living in a society.

If anyone on this board had a family member die an ephedra related death, how long would it take before they started yelling "why didn't the government do something about this stuff, why didn't they ban something so dangerous?"

dago

Munkii · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:33:00 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
The government just does not legitimately posess such powers.

Does the government not possess the ability to do anything we allow them to do? By allowing them to ban this drug, have we not given them the consent to do it to other supplement's?

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:35:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago

If anyone on this board had a family member die an ephedra related death, how long would it take before they started yelling "why didn't the government do something about this stuff, why didn't they ban something so dangerous?"

dago

Not long. Reading the O'Club for a month, one gets the impression that our government is more of a scapegoat than an adminstrative body.

I used to take it a few years back - really screwed me up; heart pulpitations, eradic heartbeat, near loss of conscienceness during strenuous activity, etc.

I see no problem with the FDA banning the supliment - pound for pound it is probably far more dangerous than tobacco products in terms of directly causing serious health problems and/or death. (this as opposed to counting Joe Smith, tobacco user, dead at age 77 as a 'smoking related death')

Just an anti-adminstration whine, is all.