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Offline JB42

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La7: Really that much faster?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2004, 01:02:21 PM »
People always ask how to defeat a La7 on its weaknesses. I prefer to best them with my planes strengths.

190 - I can out roll the LaLa all day, Can you say scissor or overshoot? Ironically, I use the La7s best attribute against it. Its fast, but doesnt handle nearly as well as a 190 at those speeds.

109 - I accelerate almost as well and climb almost as well, so I keep the fight close. I can out rudder the La7 so im looking for a verticle fight, not a turn fight.

110 - I can out turn the La7 all day and Hell, all im really looking for is one pass in front of my nose. 4 20mm and 2 30mm cannons can have a devistating effect of our little Russian friend.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2004, 03:32:18 PM »
Don't believe the 110 can turn with an La-7, it might be able to though.  If I was the la7 I'd just keep spiralling upward in one direction till the 110 stalled out...  no reversing.

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2004, 04:11:18 AM »
Hallo,

just my experiences. Nothing is written in stone.
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190 - I can out roll the LaLa all day, Can you say scissor or overshoot? Ironically, I use the La7s best attribute against it. Its fast, but doesnt handle nearly as well as a 190 at those speeds.

Overshooting isnt realy a bad thing as long as you have high speed and change back your e for altitude.
Beeing out braked  ( which is overshooting as well), no matter what plane, in a tight turnfight should give you a smile because of the cleverness of your opponent and his excellent feel for timing (SA).
Yes, 190 can scissor like hell. But you cant scissor as long as you have any advantage. The enemy has to be somewhere behind you to scissor him. Tough 190 pilots which maneuver themselves in disadvantage for sucessfull scissoring.  :eek:

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110 - I can out turn the La7 all day and Hell, all im really looking for is one pass in front of my nose. 4 20mm and 2 30mm cannons can have a devistating effect of our little Russian friend.

Maybe a light 110 can out turn La7. I am not realy shure if they can. The 110 should 'surprise' them within the first 2 or 3 turns. After that, its going to be tough.
But good pilots dont want to turn against 110 when they are in a speedy La7/109g10. They easily position themselves above the 110 and then its a kind of cherry picking.


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109 - I accelerate almost as well and climb almost as well, so I keep the fight close. I can out rudder the La7 so im looking for a verticle fight, not a turn fight.

Imho, in a 109g10, above 15k, its better to e fight la7s. And sooner or later, La7s dive away then or die.
Below 15k, its a close match. Keep it tight consequently. That means excessive use of flaps and throttle.
But what, if la7s do the same? Probably, then its going to be sweaty. And thats why i pay for the game. Maximum adrenalin. :)

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2004, 04:15:27 PM »
The 110 can quite easily outturn the LA7, not sure why all twins in AH turn and accelerate so great.

La7 is just a target btw :D
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2004, 06:33:07 PM »
Why would a La7 do flat turns when having a brutal advantage in climbing? Why would it follow any scissors when it excels in hi yo-yos? It is like an uber 109G10 with good hi speed control and much better roll rate. Some posts here seem to explain how to exploit the absolute lack of skill of the average La7 pilot more than really how to take advantage of the advantages of the La. IMO, the only La7 killer is the Yak9U.

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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2004, 08:32:24 PM »
I think you guys are "nuking" things a bit. All very good points. Simply put, the La la is a very fast plane, but get it into a turning fight and it's done. The only other attribute besides the speed is fire power.  :D

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2004, 03:21:41 AM »
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Originally posted by MikkaMan
Pardon me if I'm not up on my facts about the La7, but having flown for only for a few weeks in AH, it seems that the La7 was the best fighter or WWII according to its performance in this game.



WW2 wasn't a gladiator pit like AH.

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2004, 07:19:44 AM »
Hallo Wilbus,

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Originally posted by Wilbus
The 110 can quite easily outturn the LA7, not sure why all twins in AH turn and accelerate so great.

La7 is just a target btw :D


You are probably talking about an average La7 pilot which you find everywhere in the MA. Unexperienced pilots (bad boys would call them shreckinskillessrunninglaladw eeb on ch1 ;) )
If you would fight against yourself..what do you think which Wilbus will win the fight? The Wilbus in the 110 or the Wilbus in the La7?
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Isnt speed the key?

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2004, 07:34:12 AM »
Hey Hornet,
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... Simply put, the La la is a very fast plane, but get it into a turning fight and it's done....  :D


How will you get the La7 into a turn fight? That works only with a plane which is faster.
When it is a good La7 pilot, he decides when its time for a turn
fight. And then he comes with advantage.
Isnt it?

Ecke
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2004, 08:26:18 AM »
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I love the La-7, its awesome in AH.  I feel confident vs. any enemy in any situation in it.  The only plane i do not really like encountering in it is a coalt/higher Spit IX.


i love taking on spits in one. the thing is to get them before the rest of the horde arrives.

niki's are just as yummy.

but the yummiest of all are the FWeenies.
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2004, 07:00:57 PM »
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not sure why all twins in AH turn and accelerate so great.


I don't agree with you there wil.:)

Been flying the mossie quite a bit this tour and it has terrible acceleration. I would rate it worse than the f4u-1.
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2004, 08:24:12 PM »
I'm usually flying a P-51D, and at low altitudes i generally try to avoid fighting La-7's on my own, because I always get my bellybutton handed to me.  But at higher alts, over 10k, they don't seem to be much more of a problem than any other decent plane.

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2004, 07:35:42 AM »
And it is acceleration what makes La7 an airborne monster, not just top speed.

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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2004, 09:37:42 AM »
MikkaMan,

The LA-7 is hard to fight against for the reasons you mentioned, IF you are flying a plane that is not a great turner.  The best option is to force and overshoot, which is a skill within itself.

If you fly good turning planes however, you can always turn to evade the LA, easiest most natural defensive move in the book.  Wear down his E, hope he's new and tries to turn with you, force a HO, or keep breaking till help arrives.

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2004, 07:10:11 AM »
Hey Eskimo,

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If you fly good turning planes however,....Wear down his E, hope he's new and tries to turn with you,, force a HO,....

Why to force HO against a newbie La7 when in a good turner?
Thats a bad tip.Why should you be happy with a 50:50 chance when you can get more?
We have enough pilots in the MA which only can ho.
Ecke