Author Topic: Have you guys heard about TCPA ? (Read 450 times)

airguard · « **on:** January 05, 2004, 09:54:12 AM »

Well that is somthing bad for personal freedom for internet users in the future :

http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

It is better to post a link than copy and paste sorry.

edit : this is not a "hey i hate USA" post, it is for all of us using the internet, that goes for US residents too. The big bucks can now( not yet but when its coming) trace us and follow us even at the internet.

Duedel · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2004, 02:18:39 PM »

Yep it sucks bad.
I had a good talk with an Microsoft appointee and he is very sure that this technology will come but he also said that there WILL be hardware and software manufacturers which wont support this C R A P (i.e. Open Source).

airguard · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2004, 02:23:25 PM »

ok guess when this time comes its time to look at linux
maybe ?

Mini D · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2004, 02:29:13 PM »

TCPA is ideal for buisnesses especially in regards to group licenses. I could also see it as ideal for platforms such as X-Box and TIVO.

I've yet to see anything stating that it would be used in home PCs, much less required in them. I'd really like to see this "planned bill" that is eluded to in the article.

MiniD

Octavius · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2004, 02:49:03 PM »

I've heard of this. It's assinine.

Sure it may be ideal for businesses, but I thought businesses trying to sell a product were supposed to cater to the customers needs and not the other way around? Now we have big corporations (the original of 1999: Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft) come together for this crap. Maybe a new term will emerge: Customer Conditioning?

Basically saying "This is what you do. This is how you will buy our product. If you refuse to, you will be shut out. If you work around, you will be punished."

And their defense: "Oh, well standardizing the platforms will aid us in development and better service to the customer!" Bulldinky, they want control. It's not like they're near bankruptcy (Micro$oft in particular) and they use this scheme (with a government law in the works!) to secure their dominance and control over the market.

Think the little guy has it bad competing now? This will eliminate the little guy altogether. Just a new form of monopoly in disguise.

Manedew · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2004, 03:30:10 PM »

The main problem with this is that when constructing a threat model the USER is now considered a security threat.

This means by thier plan you are no longer trusted on your own computer.

I would not recommend you buy a mother board with this technology installed...

some people have recommend it might not be a bad idea so long as it can be turned off.....and to produce a default 'good' certificate, despite configuration

basicly paladium etc.... or whatever they call it this week... allows things like remote assetation

this does have it's good points by allowing a remote computer to discover if another computer has been compromised.

But this also allows them to know what software you are useing, and force you to use it if you wish to communicate with 'them'.

This would effectively end emulation, reverse engineering, etc ... this is the hope of Microsoft..... I don't think this is a good thing.... but I bet Microsoft does....

theres more too it of course ... but these points stick out in my mind....

Mini D · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2004, 03:35:16 PM »

Actually, as far as IT is concerned, you shouldn't be trusted on your own computer. That's why this is oriented towards buisness networks where the error of one individual can take down the whole system.

The private aplications are being extrapolated. I have not seen anything stated in regards to private use from anyone other than watchdog organizations that insist there is a mythical bill out there that will require this in homes.

MiniD

Manedew · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2004, 03:49:21 PM »

the question is .. what happens when sites that you may HAVE to do bussiness with start to require these certificates from certain software packages/ configurations....

this is basicly an attempt to kill interoprability with other platforms at some levels..... to kill emulation...

more secure means less free .. in the computer world and the real world .....

the word impregnable is a fallcey.... if people really want in they will get in...nothing you do will stop them .. only slow them down; best learn that now if your a secuirty guy.

Yes there are good points, but look at what remote assetation can really mean .... I've looked at it in some detail

and any IT guy knows you don't use microsoft in the frist place

airguard · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2004, 04:01:43 PM »

well i want my freedom to use my software and hardware without any freaking sissy goverment whatsoever gonna tell me what to use.

hey wake up guys.

this is only a few years coming

Octavius · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2004, 04:08:32 PM »

Even if the option is there to "turn it off" I still wouldn't want any of "them," or anyone else but me, to have the potential to control my computer.

Mini D · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2004, 06:05:50 PM »

Sorry manedew... but your "what if" doesn't really make sense and gives me the impression you haven't read up on the chip.

MiniD

Maniac · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2004, 08:28:15 PM »

Computer Security is not a "technical" problem anymore. Its a Society problem...

Maniac · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2004, 08:32:23 PM »

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The informational self-determination isn't existing anymore, it's not possible to save, copy, create, program, ..., the data like you want. This applies for privates as for companies
The free access to the IT/Software market is completely prevented for anyone except the big companies, the market as we know it today will get completely destroyed
Restrictions in the usage of owned hardware would apply
The liberty of opinion and the free speech on the internet would finally be eliminated
The own rights while using IT-technologies are history.
The national self-determination of the der particular countries would be fully in the hands of the USA
Probably the world would break into two digital parts (Countries that express against TCPA)