Author Topic: I've been called a lot of things... (Read 1708 times)

miko2d · « **Reply #30 on:** January 07, 2004, 02:57:46 PM »

AKIron: I always thought of slavery as being primarily when someone was forced to work against their will. I don't believe that to be the case in America. I see plenty of people not working at all, some are even supported by the government.

When a (considerable) fraction of a person's labor is confiscated, one can say that that particular labor was performed against a person's will.
One can escape such forced labor by stopping work completely - and starving, or begging. Or illegally joining the black market economy.
Unlike real slavery, a person cannot be forced to work against his will - that is true, but this is not a principal feature of slavery. Coersion is.

In US and many other countries it is true that a person who does not wish to work may often receive the government's support. But such people are just enjoying the results of that "tax slavery" or others. And vote accordingly.

When a choice is between being a "slave" (net tax payer) and profiting from "slavery" - by being a net tax receiver, be it welfare, subcidies, etc., the society will predictably deteriorate.

miko

Skuzzy · « **Reply #31 on:** January 07, 2004, 02:59:19 PM »

The government is always going to control NASA miko. Too much of the research ends up in the DoD. The government wants to control what goes to the private sector, in this particular area.

If you want to control how your taxes are spent, then contact your local representative about it. I do. Everytime NASA has had a failure, I write a letter pushing to keep them funded.

Complaining about it on this board is not going to make any difference at all. If you want to make a difference, then get out the pen, stamps, envelopes, and start knocking on doors.

Oh, and your defense on why it is slavery is a very long reach and thus sounds more like dramatic flare than anything else. A bit difficult to take seriously.

AKIron · « **Reply #32 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:03:12 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
One can escape such forced labor by stopping work completely - and starving, or begging. Or illegally joining the black market economy.

Miko, you left out an option. One could also move to Canada, Mexico, or many other places. Slavery has traditionally denied the right to become unensalved at will.

However, I do agree with you that over burdensome taxation can feel like slavery, at least to one that has never know it's true yoke.

midnight Target · « **Reply #33 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:06:55 PM »

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Of course not. I am sure Skuzzy is against slavery in general.

miko [/B]

So he's for it IN particular?

miko2d · « **Reply #34 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:11:49 PM »

Skuzzy: The government is always going to control NASA miko. Too much of the research ends up in the DoD.

The legitimate defence-related research is fine with me. Most of it can and should be contracted to private companies but some certainly belongs to the government domain.

If you want to control how your taxes are spent, then contact your local representative about it.

But the majority is the one that decides here. So I may register my futile protest but it's not going to affect anything.

Complaining about it on this board is not going to make any difference at all. If you want to make a difference, then get out the pen, stamps, envelopes, and start knocking on doors.

It's not this kind of difference that I am looking to achieve.
Hundred years ago the idea of socialism and welfare state was repugnant to most of the western world. The monarchy was considered a normal form of government by most europeans. The ideas of welfare state were discredited.
There were always politicians pushing for more socialism but they got nowhere.

The socialism was only able to spread when the public opinion changed. Ultimately, it's all about the ideas.
So my intent is to help chnange the ideas so that people do not support oppressive government systems.

I understand that I am not likely to affect many people immediately, but even if I did not "convert" a soul, that does not mean my efforts are wasted.
This society is headed towards the major crisis. Once that crisis occurs, the people will be much more receptive to reexamining the old ideas and looking for the new ones.

Maybe they will remember what I said here and take a look. After all, I zeroed in on the austrtian school because they were most accurate over the 150 years of predictions that came true.

When societies suffers major upheavals, the public may switch to all kinds of terrrible ideologies - witness nazism in germany and bolshevism in Russia or Terror in France or Empire in Rome in the wake of collapse of the previous order.

Having a libertarian ideas available for people is not the worst choice.

miko

Skuzzy · « **Reply #35 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:18:16 PM »

Whether or not you realize it, you have gotten so deep into the political quagmire you are not able to be objective anymore. That is just an observation.

So, you are advocating socialism? You do not like a majority ruled government. There is no such thing as a perfect government and your ideas have just as many flaws as any others I have witnessed.

You have soured your credibility as you no longer appear to be able to just discuss without putting a political spin on a topic. Basically, you come off as an activist, whether you mean to or not. Just FYI.

MrLars · « **Reply #36 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:24:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy

You do not like a majority ruled government.

Oh, the irony

kappa · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:27:51 PM »

I for one, enjoy reading Miko's post.....

Skuzzy, i would have thought Miko would be the last person you rain anger down on.. He never initiates an attack on someone... He speaks his mind and for those that are intersted, for whatever their reasons, he will clarifly himself as best as possible.. Some view his statments as anti-american... I veiw his statments as an alternate way of thinking... A new light on the subject if you may.. Sometimes I disagree... but I mostly agree with him... on most all accounts.. No one here is forced or 'coersed' into reading him..

How can you complain about derailing a post?? Once a post is place before public eyes, unless peps are being paid to narrate, it will undoubtably posess and progress a life of its own...

kappa · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:28:49 PM »

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Oh, the irony

lol MrLars lol!! can we start a vote of which threads are locked and which threads are edited?? lmao

Maniac · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:29:22 PM »

But do we need it in every thread?

Miko and Grun should start a club.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #40 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:37:43 PM »

kappa, I am not angry at miko. I do not get angry about this board.

If someone starts a thread, then they do so as they would like to discuss the topic. The constant de-railing of threads is disruptive and disrespectful to the thread starter.
Poeple derailing threads have the option to start their own, and they also have the option to NOT post in the thread if they cannot respect the reason the thread exists to begin with.

Political derailments are often the worst as they draw an entirely different crowd with a different agenda and thus the thread starter has lost his/her oppertunity to discuss what he/she wanted to discuss.

Is it so hard for people to respect the thread and starter of the thread?

Doing so would make for a better discussion board. I should not have to moderate that into existence.

Nakhui · « **Reply #41 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:53:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
The constant de-railing of threads is disruptive and disrespectful to the thread starter.
Poeple derailing threads have the option to start their own, and they also have the option to NOT post in the thread if they cannot respect the reason the thread exists to begin with.

I should not have to moderate that into existence.

Skuzzy - all conversations with more than one speaker... digress...

Especially BBS threads... that is the nature of BBS....

This software has the option of ignore... and listeners and responders have the option of not replying to off-topic remarks- it takes more than one to digress.

You would have better luck trying to pour the ocean into a hole in the beach one cup at a time.

When you are able to snatch this thread from my hand then it will be time for you to go into the world, grasshopper.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #42 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:59:08 PM »

Nak, I participate in many well run bulletin boards. The digression is kept to a minimum by the posters themselves. No one blatantly derails threads like is done here.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #43 on:** January 07, 2004, 04:08:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
The Microwave oven came from an accidental discovery made by a scientist working radar equipment in the 1940's. It melted a chocolate bar in his pocket.

And the very first microwave oven was as big as a refrigertor!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #44 on:** January 07, 2004, 04:10:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nak, I participate in many well run bulletin boards. The digression is kept to a minimum by the posters themselves. No one blatantly derails threads like is done here.

Roy, we *KNOW* this was you, your facial features and beard are undeniable:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107635,00.html

You can fess up now and tell us about the Natural BBS you frequent.

Author Topic: I've been called a lot of things... (Read 1708 times)

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