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Offline gofaster

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« on: January 07, 2004, 09:22:40 AM »
I think this is a huge accomplishment that won't be fully appreciated until later this year or next, when the general population realizes what it is we've really achieved through science and technology and the strength of human endeavor.  The Rover has the potential to push our knowledge of "what's out there".  We've had probes on the planet before, and (if I'm not mistaken) other robotic vehicles to move about, but what makes this one so unique is the fact that we can now accomplish so much more with the tools we have available.

The fact that we can control robotic vehicles at this distance simply boggles my mind.

When you factor in things like solar interference, radiation, two planetary atmospheres, and signal dispersion, its simply amazing how much control we have.  And clarity of the pictures is outstanding!

Our missions to the moon were "pushed" by the Cold War Space Race.  Our missions to Mars are "pushed" by ... what?  Two things: a quest for knowledge, and the need for NASA to show that it is capable of being the guardian of America's quest for space travel.  NASA needs this mission to be successful just as much as America needs this mission to be successful.  NASA has stumbled along its journey to this point - Challenger, Hubble, and Colombia for example.  And two dead Mars probes lost due to mathematical errors.

Some posters claim that NASA is in it for their own wealth and power.  I disagree.  Actually, on average, the jobs at NASA pay below comparable jobs in the private sector.  I know because I turned down a job offer from Kennedy Space Center because AT&T pays better, even with AT&T's salary increases frozen for the next 2 years.  NASA is losing potential talent due to job market competition, and from the meetings I had at KSC my feeling about the folks there is that they are motivated by the same spirit that moved all great inventors - the basic need to know, to explore, to create.  There's no dollar signs attached to the end of a successful mission, at least not in their paychecks.  The real payoff for them is the knowledge that they get back for their efforts.  And its our payoff, too.  But to make the commitment to NASA usually means a paycut, and that hurts, particularly with so many outside investments having gone bust or on the way to going bust.

The Mars probe did more than save NASA.  It saved America at a time when America is facing threats of terrorism and foreign criticisms of military policy.  

It shows that we can still achieve great things.  It shows that we're still capable of successful space exploration.  It shows our preminence in the world of science, technology, and, more importantly, our willingness to sacrifice to achieve.

And it shows our willingness to share our knowledge with others.

At no charge.

Kudos to NASA and the "Spirit" team on a job well done.

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2004, 09:35:43 AM »
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Kudos to NASA and the "Spirit" team on a job well done.


So obvious it should go without saying. I'm sure most people can appreciate it's not exactly a walk in the park at any stage of the project. The Beagle II mission and all the failed probes before adequately demonstrate that.

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The Mars probe did more than save NASA. It saved America at a time when America is facing threats of terrorism and foreign criticisms of military policy.


'Saved' America? I think you're stretching things a bit too far there. Saved from what? Destruction? Comments on some obscure internet BBS? I'm not sure what you mean.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2004, 09:46:02 AM »
Sorry, should've given more background.

Following the successful landing of the first men on the moon, NASA received a thank-you note from a lady who wrote:

"Thank you for saving 1969."

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2004, 09:53:10 AM »
We are on mars because of 1) Sputnik and 2) Bad government programs rarely go away.

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2004, 09:54:49 AM »
I see gofaster. Bit early to decide if 2004 needs saving, no? ;)
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2004, 10:01:51 AM »
I personally am not sure why we need to explore Mars, or why it matters to us if there was ever water on Mars.  Maybe someone feels it relevant to predict the earths long term future.  Honestly, I am not worrying about stuff that far out, but a few brilliant minds must be.

Either way, the landing on and exploration of Mars is quite an accomplishment and we will no doubt recieve benefits in our society from technical advances developed to make this accomplishment possible.

Would be nice if they would give us some ideas why understanding Mars matters right now, other than to tickle some geologists fancy.


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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2004, 10:03:14 AM »
Oh yeah, Dowding, you should get together with Beetle and Miko, have a group hug and share your ideas about why everything the USA does is wrong.

(not that we care)


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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2004, 10:05:57 AM »
It doesn't neccessarily benefit us in any way. I'd class it as pure science with a vague, romantic, long term vision of somehow rescuing the Earth from some bleak future. Not sure how that vision works since I don't share it at this time.

But there's nothing wrong with science for science's sake - if you believe you can afford the expense...
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2004, 10:08:45 AM »
There is no question that Mars exploration is quite an accomplishment. So were the creation of a textile industry or railroads.

 My only problem is the general oppositions to all projects built or funded through slave labor.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2004, 10:09:01 AM »
Read in the paper that Nasa guys said landing the probe were they did is like threading a needle from 15 miles away.  That is cool!

As far as saving america...I wouldnt say the mars probe saved America but it did give a much needed win to NASA.  Just like a footbal team having a bad season.....a good win can turn it around!

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2004, 10:11:09 AM »
At least Miko is able to form his own opinion on what he reads and hold his ground without resorting to childish insults when challenged. Unlike yourself, for instance, whose knee-jerk reaction practically defies the laws of physics. I might not agree with everything he writes, but it's usually interesting reading and I get the impression it is far from the cut and paste banality we see from certain people.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2004, 10:11:46 AM »
Mars candybars are teh suck.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2004, 10:21:24 AM »
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I get the impression it is far from the cut and paste banality we see from certain people.


He memorizes. :)

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2004, 10:22:11 AM »
Wish I had a memory like that. Would have been very useful a few years ago. ;)
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2004, 10:30:54 AM »
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My only problem is the general oppositions to all projects built or funded through slave labor.
 



HUH?  Relevance to topic?   Huh?

I guess you are in support of projects built or funded by slave labor.  Must be a Ukraine thing.




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At least Miko is able to form his own opinion on what he reads and hold his ground without resorting to childish insults when challenged


I feel you are wrong accross the board here.  I have come to my own conclusion that Miko is not originating most of the "concerns" he expresses here, but rather I suspect he is subscribing to some type of newsletter that he reads and brings those ideas over here, in what would best be described as a "cut and paste" mentality.

He has failed to hold his own in many arguements, if you read carefully he will post some wildly irrelevant nonsense in response to someone challenging him in a way to obscure and confuse.  This isn't holding your own, and it isn't winning an arguement, it is subscribing to the theory of "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS" method of arguement.  

As far as insults, he has many times insulted those who argued with him, and often employs his little game of "you dont understand, or you dont know anything about xxxxxx" in some perverted little manner to try and put himself in a superior position in an arguement.  

Of course you are his cheerleader dowding, he rails against the USA and everything about it, and this feeds your anger and envy of the United States.

No, I dont think he is brilliant, I think he is easily lead by some Libertarian group, or some other group who choose to see conspiracy around every corner.


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