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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2004, 10:32:23 AM »
Would it be worthwhile to try another human lunar landing?  I'd be interested to see how well the modules from the previous flights have held up to the rigors of existence on the moon surface.

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2004, 10:32:43 AM »
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Mars candybars are teh suck.
Well, I suppose ra is at least on topic as we're talking about Mars. :) But it has to be remembered that candy bars are known by different names in different countries. What the UK knows as a Mars bar is known in the US as a Three Musketeers. What the US knows as a Mars bar is known in the UK as a Milky Way.

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2004, 10:34:09 AM »
You think this is exciting, just wait until we land on Titan in July of 2005.  The potential for discovering the beginnings of life or even simple, single celled organisms is greater on Titan than perhaps anywhere else in the system.

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2004, 10:35:02 AM »
Re: Candy Bars

I prefer the Baby Ruth, second to that the Snickers.   But of course, Rollos is the best.


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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2004, 10:39:26 AM »
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You think this is exciting, just wait until we land on Titan in July of 2005.  The potential for discovering the beginnings of life or even simple, single celled organisms is greater on Titan than perhaps anywhere else in the system.


I heard the moon Europa was another good place for finding life, they think there is liquid water under the ice surface.

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2004, 10:40:33 AM »
Welcome to mars! :)


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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2004, 10:41:30 AM »
Titan and Europa both.

Dago - you complaining about his personal attacks is a little hard to swallow given the nature of the thread you started today, and given you've made a personal attack in just about every post you've made today.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2004, 11:02:29 AM »
miko: My only problem (with government projects) is the general oppositions to all projects built or funded through slave labor.

Dago: I guess you are in support of projects built or funded by slave labor.  Must be a Ukraine thing.

 I said that I have a problem with projects that are based on slave labor no matter how worthy they seem. How do you read it as an endorcement of a slave labor?

I feel you are wrong accross the board here.  I have come to my own conclusion that Miko is not originating most of the "concerns" he expresses here,

 Of course not. I came to this country pretty ignorant about theory of liberty. In the Soviet Union I did not have unrestricted access to the books available in any US store - Founding Fathers, philisophers they learned from, Adam Smith, Mises, Friedman, etc.

He has failed to hold his own in many arguements,

 A less arrogant person would say "he failed to persuade me" or "I do not agree with his position". But you think you know the universal truth.

if you read carefully he will post some wildly irrelevant nonsense in response to someone challenging him in a way to obscure and confuse.

 It sounds almost like an admission of your own stupidity.

As far as insults, he has many times insulted those who argued with him, and often employs his little game of "you dont understand, or you dont know anything about xxxxxx"

 So? After I say that a person does not understand something, I go to a great length to elaborate my point so that a person understood it. That's what the discussion is about.
 I may not be the best at explaining stuff, but disrespect to audience is expressed in ignoring someone's opinion, not opposing it and taking time to argue it.

in some perverted little manner to try and put himself in a superior position in an arguement.

 Why would I argue my position if I did not believe it to be superior?

he rails against the USA and everything about it, and this feeds your anger and envy of the United States.

 Not as much against USA but against government oppression in general.

I think he is easily lead by some Libertarian group, or some other group who choose to see conspiracy around every corner.

 You are dumb. The libertarian views are not based on belief in conspiracies but on the knwolege of the laws of economics and social development and the consequences of ignoring them.
 We are not saying "Bush is evil" or "Clinton is evil". We are saying "socialism is evil", "coercion is evil", "illegitimate government is evil".

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2004, 11:14:30 AM »
Miko - do us all a favor and start your own thread about this ****.

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2004, 11:14:43 AM »
I hope Beagle 2 says hello... even with that crappy Blur mini-song.

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2004, 11:34:21 AM »
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Titan and Europa both.


I'm too lazy to look up Titan on Yahoo. :p  Is that one of Jupiter's moons?

I'd heard there was a remote possibility of water, and hence an even more remote possibility of life, on Io.

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2004, 12:28:51 PM »
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I said that I have a problem with projects that are based on slave labor  


No, you said you have a problem with opposition to slave labor.  This would indicate you are in favor of slave labor.

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My only problem is the general oppositions to all projects built or funded through slave labor.
 




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It sounds almost like an admission of your own stupidity.
 


Oh, so glad to hear I am the only who makes personal attacks, yet you fail to address or answer my statement.  Typical.

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So? After I say that a person does not understand something, I go to a great length to elaborate my point so that a person understood  


Quite a bold lie that one.  You often dont bother to explain why you think someone fails to understand.



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Why would I argue my position if I did not believe it to be superior?  

Argueing your position because you feel it is correct is understandable, its belittling the understanding of an issue that is your sad attempt to putyourself in a physcologically superior position through degrading the other person that is the issue.  Telling them they dont understand the issue is doing just that.  You told me I dont understand money.  Damn funny, specially considering you know nothing about me, know nothing about my background, my education, my material worth or my experiences is investing.  But, lacking any of this knowledge, you stated I know nothing about money.  Based on research?  No.  Based on your desiring to make me feel inferior to you, yes.  



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You are dumb. The libertarian views are not based on belief in conspiracies but on the knwolege of the laws of economics and social development and the consequences of ignoring them.
We are not saying "Bush is evil" or "Clinton is evil". We are saying "socialism is evil", "coercion is evil", "illegitimate government is evil".


Well thank you for acknowledging my suspicion.  You are simply parroting Libertarian views taken from a newsletter.  And thanks for again proving I am not the only one who might hand out a personal insult.  

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he rails against the USA and everything about it, and this feeds your anger and envy of the United States.

Not as much against USA but against government oppression in general.  


The USA is the sum of it's whole.  When you attack the government, you attack the leaders the people have chosen to represent them.  If we the people fail to live up to your expectations, again I will invite you to find another country to live.  I respect challenging government actually, it's a fundemental right and responsibility necessary to keep us free and to retain our rights. But you dont do that.  You instead get on this board, irrelevant to effecting change, and spout anti-USA nonsense.  Why dont you invest your time and efforts contacting Congressmen to make your opinions known?



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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2004, 12:29:31 PM »
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Sorry, should've given more background.

Following the successful landing of the first men on the moon, NASA received a thank-you note from a lady who wrote:

"Thank you for saving 1969."


to be perfectly accurate, it was in 1968 (a very troubled year) on the first orbit around the moon by apollo 8

but I see your point !;)

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2004, 12:33:26 PM »
Yeah, yeah , yeah.

I think they should host battle bots on Mars.  Now that would be impressive.:D

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2004, 12:40:31 PM »
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I personally am not sure why we need to explore Mars, or why it matters to us if there was ever water on Mars.  

Would be nice if they would give us some ideas why understanding Mars matters right now, other than to tickle some geologists fancy.


It's a scientific question.... and to some point a philisophical question - as old as man's ability to think.

Is there life "out there"

Are we all that there is?

Why is water so important?

Because every where on earther there is water - there is life. In the hotest springs, in the most arrid deserts... in the frigid barren cold... there is life.

Where is water most likely to exist on Mars?

Well water flows down hill... so at the bottom of a crater... a crater that has evidence of a dried up river flowing out of it.

That's where spirit landed.

Dig into the setiment... and if life lived there... fossil remains of life will be there too.

These are exciting times for sure...

Imagine what it was like to live in the 1500 hundreds..  finding out that the earth is not flat... and there are distant continents to explore with plant life never seen before... people and cultures to learn about...

What if buried under layers of Martian dust are ruins of an ancient civilization...

What if there really is life "out there" and they deliver take out Chinese.. and it's really good!