The 9th...1948 is revisited

[brady]

Artik has modified his excelent Iserial map for CT use and added a few brand new skins to help add to the imershion leval, he has worked very hard to bring this to the CT so please if you see him thank him for his effort. Also Skuzzy despite a very bussy week was able to get this map set up for in the CT.The Set up running this Friday will represent the 1948 war Between Egypt and Iserial.


IAF: 109G-6,Spit IX, , Mossie, B17 ( Very limited),C47,P51D (limited to one base).

REAF: Spit V, C.205, A20G,SBD,C47,Spit XIV (limited to one base)

GV's All except the Tiger and the LVT's.
PT's from suporting bases
No, Ship's
Standard Hardness settings
Ack.7
Downtimes likely 30min all objects.
Formations off.

[artik]

In 1948 after Declaration of Independence of Israel arabic countries opened the war to prevent form the new state to rise. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq forces attaced from all directions................... ....



The setup will represent the front between Egypt and Israel - because of restrictions that gamplay at CT brings.

• IAF had S-199 (subsit 109g6), Spitfire Mk IX, Mosquito, B-17 and P-51D (at the end of the war limited for rear base)
  
• REAF - had Spitfire Mk V, C205, Harvard Mk II (subsit SBD) and C-47 bombers (subsit A20)
  RAF -There were still bases of RAF is Egypt and there were some engagments between IAF and RAF. Thus for REAF side will fly RAF Spitfire Mk XIV - limited for rear base.
  

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by brady
The Set up running this Friday will represent the 1948 war Between Egypt and Iserial.

Interesting plane set.

Looks like a beautiful map.

Could be fun.

- oldman

[B17Skull12]

6 day war damn.  Weren't there jets or am i like 20 years to early?

[Jester]

The ME-109G-6 is WAY too much of an a/c to represent the Israeli S-199 of the time. The S-199 had it's Inline Mercedies engine replaced with a Jumo radial out of the JU-88! This caused major problems with center of gravity and with acceleration. So much so the IAF pilots nick-named it the "MULE."

IMO you would do better to sub the 109E in it's place. Maybe the 109F if you were feeling generous.

Great map and good set-up otherwise.  !  

[Rafe35]

[artik]

Jets
B17Skull12 yes you are early the jets were involved in Kadesh in 1956 - next Israel Arabic war.

Corsair

Actually I've build terrain not only for 1948 but probably for Kadesh (maybe someday it will be run too).

Thus I've reskinned F4u-4 (actually it allready reskinned for Kadesh terrain) as French Navy F4U-7, you can find gray skin of 262 in this terrain aslo and 234 reskinned as Il-28...... but it is not present setup but 1956
F4U-4 not in this setup it is from 1956

S-199
I know 109g6 is better then S-199 but I've not made 109E of F for it because they are good dogfighters and G is not. I think 109G6 is quite fine to subsit S-199 even it is much better.

[snocone]

looks like fun

[Tuck]

[Shane]

bleah.   i'll vote with my feet on this one. nor does it bother me that anyone may not care what i think. so save the anklehumping for when i'm actually in the arena.

[artik]

Some funny observation:
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• A lot of Spits but what is funny IAF Spit players think that they shlould fly as usually they fly spit and............ they forget they fighting Spit 5 and a lot of them enter dogfights where Spit V wins
• REAF flyes mostly Spit V when C.205 mostly better plane - it is faster then Spit 9, excelent climber and dives very well. Is it allmost fast at 109g6 fast. On the deck the speeds are following:

IAF:
109G6 is 317 (336 WEP) knots, climb 4300 - sea level
Spitfire Mk IX is 310 (319 WEP) knots, climb 3.800
REAF:
C205 321 (331 WEP) knots, climb 4000
Spitfire Mk V 293 (302 WEP) knots, climb 3500

As you can see C205 is very close to 109 - but turns much better. the diffference in speed with WEP is about 5 knots - so if 109 is heavy or with gun pods there are good chances for 205 to catch it. In comparison with Spitfire IX, C205 coutclimbs and outruns it even without WEP. Most common REAF plane Spitfire Mk V is good only for dogfight - and it is saved my 109 lots of times
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[Widewing]

Originally posted by Jester
The ME-109G-6 is WAY too much of an a/c to represent the Israeli S-199 of the time. The S-199 had it's Inline Mercedies engine replaced with a Jumo radial out of the JU-88! This caused major problems with center of gravity and with acceleration. So much so the IAF pilots nick-named it the "MULE."

IMO you would do better to sub the 109E in it's place. Maybe the 109F if you were feeling generous.

Great map and good set-up otherwise.  !  

Ah, the Jumo was not a radial, it was an inverted V-12. It used an annular radiator, so it sort of looked like a radial. If I'm going to be technical, the Daimler Benz engine wasn't an inline engine either, it was an inverted V-12 also. You can get an inline 6 in a BMW car, or a V-8. Understand the difference?

For the record, versions of the Jumo also powered the Fw 190D-9 and Ta 152H, neither classified as a Mule. However, they used the much better Jumo 213, where the S-199 used the Jumo 211, essentially the same engine that powered the Ju 88.

My regards,

Widewing

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by artik
In 1948 after Declaration of Independence of Israel arabic countries opened the war to prevent form the new state to rise. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq forces attaced from all directions................... ....



The setup will represent the front between Egypt and Israel - because of restrictions that gamplay at CT brings.

• IAF had S-199 (subsit 109g6), Spitfire Mk IX, Mosquito, B-17 and P-51D (at the end of the war limited for rear base)
  
• REAF - had Spitfire Mk V, C205, Harvard Mk II (subsit SBD) and C-47 bombers (subsit A20)
  RAF -There were still bases of RAF is Egypt and there were some engagments between IAF and RAF. Thus for REAF side will fly RAF Spitfire Mk XIV - limited for rear base.
  

[/B]

Base 13 ( I think) was a Israeli base - perhaps move the 14 basing a bit further back or give it a low perk value say 3 pts to allow a slightly more even match up?

It was 3-1 in there today which is a bit of a waste of a great scenario, a agreat map and some really nice skins which a lot of work went into.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by artik
Some funny observation:
[list=1]

• A lot of Spits but what is funny IAF Spit players think that they shlould fly as usually they fly spit and............ they forget they fighting Spit 5 and a lot of them enter dogfights where Spit V wins
• REAF flyes mostly Spit V when C.205 mostly better plane - it is faster then Spit 9, excelent climber and dives very well. Is it allmost fast at 109g6 fast. On the deck the speeds are following:

IAF:
109G6 is 317 (336 WEP) knots, climb 4300 - sea level
Spitfire Mk IX is 310 (319 WEP) knots, climb 3.800
REAF:
C205 321 (331 WEP) knots, climb 4000
Spitfire Mk V 293 (302 WEP) knots, climb 3500

As you can see C205 is very close to 109 - but turns much better. the diffference in speed with WEP is about 5 knots - so if 109 is heavy or with gun pods there are good chances for 205 to catch it. In comparison with Spitfire IX, C205 coutclimbs and outruns it even without WEP. Most common REAF plane Spitfire Mk V is good only for dogfight - and it is saved my 109 lots of times
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I found that the G6 ruled both the 205 and Spit5 - I struggled vs them in the 205 and was landing 4-5 kills in a G6 later....

[Shane]

tried it.  D-

only place effort should be rewarded for effort's sake is the special olympics.