Compassion for people who break the law?

[Nakhui]

President Bush on Wednesday will outline an immigration reform proposal that would allow workers who are in the United States illegally to come forward and join a new temporary worker program, administration officials said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/bush.immigration/index.html

We have terrorist running amuck in this country and now he wants people who are breaking the law to work here with no worries?

No! If they are breaking the law...

Take their photograp, finger print them, apply big toe and kick their buttocks back to country of origin!

I SAY ZERO TOLERANCE!!

[Ripsnort]

Look at it from a voting aspect....

[kappa]

its a trick.. the goverment will use the list to round them all up and place them in death camps... O.... opps... did I say death camp? I meant happy camp, where they will be granted access to the finest foods, given regular exercise programs, and experience bliss yet unknown to their illegal kind....

Its all apart of a new government... Where the government says one thing, yet does another...

[AKIron]

Look at it from a collect taxes point of view. They already take advantages of many of our social programs, let them contribute.

[Gunslinger]

i like the prez but I am COMPLETLY against this.

I dont know WHY this would help get the latino vote.  Most of them are going to vote demo no matter what.  What I really dont understand is why  they would like the fact that ILLEAGLE immegrents are allowed in the country.

My wife is an immegrent and this really pisses her off.  She came into this country the leagle way and has become a productive taxpaying member of society (until you really get to know her).  That fact that these people get a free ride just encourages people:

1.  Breaking the law is ok
2.  Give it a couple of years and another pres will do the same thing to win votes

this does NOT HELP AT ALL!

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Look at it from a voting aspect....

And of course, that makes it ok.

[Nakhui]

What's the point of INS to limit Green cards to 140,000 when all immigrants need to do is cross the boarder from Mexico and hey they are here...


The main reason why people want green cards is to escape economic poverty.

Ok so they live in Ameeerika... they have a job...

And now it's legal!

Voila! Who's needs win the freaking green card lottery?

No one!

Just come to Ameeerika! It's free!

Show up at schoool... IT's FREE!

Show up at the emergency room and get your STD pills - IT's FREE!

Ride the bus IT's FREE!

Who's paying for all of this?

Oh that's right they have Jobs! They're paying taxes!

so if I go to college and spend $100,000 on my education in the hope I might find an $80,000 programmering job... and Jaaruppeee sneaks into Ameerika from India and say's he'll work for only $5 an hour as a programmer...

oh well just screw me! I might as well run Ricksaws in Bangkok!

[Rude]

Those immigrants perform work which no US citizen, yes, even the poor unemployed folks, want to perform.

An example is any Large lanscaping company in any US city employs as much as 80% of their workforce from this immigration pool.

It would also allow a cleaner and meaner view of illegals incoming and currently in the US by removing those who simply wanna work.

BTW...it's a temp grant...3 years.

[ra]

Those immigrants perform work which no US citizen, yes, even the poor unemployed folks, want to perform.

US citizens will perform the work at US wages.  Allowing illegals to take these jobs at sub-US wages screws us all.  We'd be much better off paying a little more for landscaping while having control over our borders.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Rude
Those immigrants perform work which no US citizen, yes, even the poor unemployed folks, want to perform.

An example is any Large lanscaping company in any US city employs as much as 80% of their workforce from this immigration pool.

So when I mowed lawns for neighbors in my youth, I was somehow lowering myself?  When I came to college and looked for a job as a pizza cook and was told, off the record, that I'll never be hired because I'm not Mexican, that's ok?  

Deport their asses, every illegal you can find.  Issue more green cards if you want them here.  But don't reward them for getting in illegally.

[Ossie]

Those immigrants perform work which no US citizen, yes, even the poor unemployed folks, want to perform.

I have to agree with others that this argument is pretty much hogwash. The problem is that no US company wants to pay wages that a US citizen would demand. If a company can pay somebody a lot less, and do it under the table, then that's what will happen. It is important to note that the illegal immigrant problem is related to both supply and demand, and in the US, there is a huge demand for "cheap" labor.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Rude
Those immigrants perform work which no US citizen, yes, even the poor unemployed folks, want to perform.

An example is any Large lanscaping company in any US city employs as much as 80% of their workforce from this immigration pool.

It would also allow a cleaner and meaner view of illegals incoming and currently in the US by removing those who simply wanna work.

BTW...it's a temp grant...3 years.

Landscaping is a damn good job. I've done it.

However, I'm not willing to work for $3.95 an hour with no medical or vacation benefits.

It's not be because I don't want to do the work...

It's because that wage is below the standard of living I deem acceptable in the US OF A!

Companies want cheap labor - I'm a business man... I understand why... it's business. But in this case - it's greed, it's illegal, and it's imorral.

This is one job that can't be exported over seas in order to exploit people's labor.

so... they hire illegal immigrants... they don't give them health benifits and they don't pay them a living wage!

You can't spin this into something good.

It's bad for everyone... Americans and Immigrants... it keeps immigrant as poor working slaves. and it allows people who are breaking the law to profit.

Mr Family Values Bush... what's he thinking?

[Tarmac]

Compassionate Conservatism!

I fart in his general direction.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Look at it from a voting aspect....

I don't think it will work...

One of the provisions for working here legaly is that they have to regester for a green card. If that card isn't issued within the three year period that they can work legaly then they have to return to their native country and reapply.

The hispanic workers that I'm in daily contact with, all legal workers, say that their distrust in the government will keep more than some of the illegals from trying to get legal status since they will be required to give their personal info such as home address, phone number and number of dependants etc. sometimes years before the hope of a green card would be within their grasp.

BTW, the freepers are simmering over this...some have stated they will withold their vote this year....we'll see.

This is nothing more than pandering to a group of voters that traditionaly vote for the Dems. Nothing wrong with that, IMO, but pissing off their voter base is a bit assinine...IMO...and good for the opposition...so I'm kinda for it in a sick kind of way

[kappa]

MrLars,

whatsa freeper??