Author Topic: Can't even hunt on your own land any more  (Read 1554 times)

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2004, 09:13:30 PM »
It is my understanding that in Oklahoma you may shoot to protect your property.  Not first hand info, but I believe what my source told me ;)

That being said, people do occasionally get lost, cross a line they were unaware of.  Climbing over a fence or walking past a no trespassing sign would be good signs that you are going the wrong way.   There was a time that if it weren't posted it was ok to hunt, but now the laws say different, so you dont really even have to post your property.  Of course, it would be pretty bad manners to hunt someones land without permission.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2004, 09:22:39 PM »
I was out hunting on the last day of the season when I ran into a group of 3 guys hunting on our 180 acres of private land.  Turned out they had just crossed the line and didnt realize it, just as BlkKnit said.  No confrontation happened, but the guys didnt like it when I asked them to leave.

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2004, 09:24:19 PM »
Geezus Airhead, if somebody comes on your land armed, locked, loaded, you're supposed to let them have the first shot?

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2004, 09:25:50 PM »
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There's not one State in the Nation that will allow you to shoot a trespasser unless he's a direct threat to your life and/or property



What do you think trespassing is......I do believe I also said that common sense does come into play here as well

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2004, 10:52:22 PM »
Well, I probably shouldn't be suprised that's the law in Texas.  Then I will amend my previous statement to most states and not in Arizona.

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2004, 11:24:43 PM »
Most of the poachers I have delt with on my property were no problem. I locate their vehicle (it's usually parked very close...poachers are lazy), block it in so they can't leave, call 911 and have them send the Game Warden.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2004, 11:54:52 PM »
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What do you think trespassing is......I do believe I also said that common sense does come into play here as well


Trespassing isn't "risk of life or property." Common sense tells me, if I'm on your jury and you're on trial for manslaughter because you offed some dude who was hunting on your property, that you are guilty of manslaughter and need to go to prison.

Hey look, I don't want to interfere with your mental mastrubation circlejerk with Ripsnort and Mr. Black about how you guys will gun down all trespassers, but in all candor you are all full of... feces.

"Geezus Airhead, if somebody comes on your land armed, locked, loaded, you're supposed to let them have the first shot?" -Funkypants

Well, yeaa, Funky- in true Alexander Hamilton fashion I will stand tall, present a broad sillouette and allow my adversary to have the first shot. Of course nowadays we have 30 round magazines instead of flintlocks so I may duck for cover after the seventh or eighth shot is fired. :rolleyes:

You guys need to get a grip. You can't shoot people simply because they wander onto your land, even if they're holding a rifle or shotgun. You must demonstrate they are a threat to you, and posession of a firearm BY A HUNTER ain't enough.

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2004, 12:28:21 AM »
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now comon sense does come to play here...if he's wearing an orange hunting vest I might ask questions befor shooting.


Who said this....oh yea that was me.  I never said shooting hunters on the spot was OK i said in some states YES u can shoot people to protect your property.  U said i was not in the "real world" well you are wrong, in the real world this does happen.

Why u would just let an intruder take a shot at you is beyond me I guess your just speaking metaphorically.  

AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME......Comon sense should prevail here.  If they dont look like a threat use caution....if they get out of a van w/ AKs and ski masks and there's no movie cameras around start shooting.  And dont give me any crap about people not having comon sense if they lack it they shouldnt have a fire arm (just my opinion of course)

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2004, 01:51:02 AM »
In AZ you have to be in grave danger before you can shoot someone for being in your house. You can't shoot them if they're fleeing. You can't shoot to mame, has to be with the intent to kill.

There are a few circumstances where you can "shoot first, ask later" such as catching someone in the act of arson or rape.

On the bright side, we have reciprocity with TX. ;)

When I was taking the CCW class the instructor was telling us about one state where if a person is attacking you with a knife, the blade has to be penetrating your skin before you can justify shooting them. I think it was NC, but I'm not positive.

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2004, 06:43:23 AM »
I guess if I go on trial I'm gonna be sure my lawyer dont pick airhead to be on the jury. :p

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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2004, 07:18:23 AM »
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Oh, sheeesh. What are you going to do, shoot them? :rolleyes:



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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2004, 07:22:32 AM »
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Well, yeaa, Funky- in true Alexander Hamilton fashion I will stand tall, present a broad sillouette and allow my adversary to have the first shot.  


I would emulate Hickory Jackson if I were you.

Jackson followed the same dueling strategy as Hamilton but Jackson was able to return fire at his adversary and ultimately prevailed.  

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2004, 07:42:53 AM »
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Hey look, I don't want to interfere with your mental mastrubation circlejerk with Ripsnort and Mr. Black about how you guys will gun down all trespassers, but in all candor you are all full of... feces.
 


Sounds like you're the one regressing back to the Airhead of old and mentally masturbating a point which had already been clear at the beginning of the thread in the original story:

Foxworthy's property caretaker, Glenn Garner, told state wildlife investigators he confronted the intruder on Dec. 28.


Garner said he told the man to put down his gun, but the man instead raised it to his shoulder to fire.


What part of this did you misunderstand, City slicker?

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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2004, 09:37:52 AM »
We were talking about poaching, Rip, not home invasions. Of course I expect you to twist every scenario presented, and i guess in your mind a poacher hunting illegally on 2,000 acres IS a home invader. :rolleyes:

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LOL At least now you're admitting that if you shoot someone who's not a direct threat to you that you might have to stand trial. I'm just confirming that. ;)

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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2004, 09:47:58 AM »
This in today's paper. Robert Hoaglin is an old accuaintance of mine, James Munjar is my cousin.

Covelo man, intruder in shootout

Mendocino deputies say one of two assailants from RP; pot may be reason for clash
January 9, 2004


By MARY CALLAHAN
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

 

A Covelo man exchanged gunfire Thursday morning with two masked intruders in his home, hitting one of his assailants but suffering multiple wounds.


Mendocino County authorities said Robert Hoaglin already was armed when he confronted the men at about 8 a.m. after they entered his home on Hulls Valley Road in an isolated area about eight miles north of Covelo.


One of the intruders, James Munjar, 50, of Rohnert Park, was armed, Mendocino County Sheriff's Capt. Kevin Broin said.


It was unclear whether the second suspect, a 37-year-old transient identified as Richard David Campbell, had a weapon, Broin said.


Hoaglin and Munjar exchanged fire and both sustained multiple injuries. They were hospitalized at undisclosed locations Thursday night -- Munjar, under guard, Broin said.


He said one round hit Hoaglin in the mouth, while others hit his torso.


Details of Munjar's wounds weren't immediately available.


Broin said their locations were being withheld in the event others linked to the incident might represent a threat to one or both men.


"We're worried about the safety of everyone involved with this thing," he said.


Broin said marijuana was found in the home and detectives believe the drug is at the root of the crime -- perhaps a partnership gone bad or some kind of botched theft.


"We're not really sure if they were known to each other at this point or not, but I think the foundation for this whole problem revolves around marijuana production and sales and that type of thing," Broin said.


Broin said it appeared that Hoaglin may have been awakened by the men who came into his home.


A woman and a child were home as well, but neither was injured, Broin said.


The suspects, both wearing ski masks, fled during the gunfight, with Munjar, seriously injured, at the wheel, he said.


Someone from the house called authorities and provided a vehicle description, which was used to track the pair down about two hours later on Mina Road, near the Trinity County line.


A sheriff's sergeant and deputy stopped the vehicle and arrested the two men without incident.


Broin said it was unclear if Munjar would have survived had he not been caught and received medical care.


Campbell was booked into the county jail, while Munjar was taken by ambulance to a hospital, Broin said.


Neither his condition nor Hoaglin's was available Thursday night.