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Offline gofaster

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« on: January 08, 2004, 02:40:41 PM »
... without some poacher coming along and threatening your caretaker.

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Foxworthy Offers Reward for Information  
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COLUMBUS, Ga. - Jeff Foxworthy has offered a $2,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of a person who trespassed on his rural west-central Georgia property and pointed a gun at his caretaker.

The comedian, who says poaching has been a problem on his 2,000-acre property in Harris County near the Alabama state line, was hunting one day during the holidays when he saw someone carrying a gun.


"Jeff Foxworthy was hunting and witnessed the poacher on the property," state Wildlife Resources Division officer Randy Hackley told the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer. "He was hiding in a ditch in some bushes."


Foxworthy's property caretaker, Glenn Garner, told state wildlife investigators he confronted the intruder on Dec. 28.


Garner said he told the man to put down his gun, but the man instead raised it to his shoulder to fire. That's when Garner said he fired a shot at the man and then ran behind his vehicle for cover.


When he looked back, the man was pointing his gun at him again. Garner said he stayed behind the vehicle until it was safe to leave.


Wildlife officers are investigating.


The 45-year-old Foxworthy, best-known for his "You might be a redneck if..." jokes, starred in the NBC sitcom "The Jeff Foxworthy Show" from 1995-97.


I have relatives that own a lot of rural property in the Florida panhandle area, and they say not only do they have a problem with poachers, but also with people harvesting illegal drug crops.  And, one time my uncle said the state government contacted him about an illegal dumpsite he had going.  He told them he didn't have a dump site, of any kind.  That's when he found out somebody had been dumping old tires on his land.  The government had found it while doing drug overflights.

When you're dealing with big acreage, its tough to protect your property line.

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2004, 02:55:58 PM »
you might not be a redneck if you own 2000 acres.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2004, 03:07:00 PM »
When people come onto our property hunting without permission they do so at the risk of their own life. My parents and grandparents made it well known that if you wanted to hunt the land you asked first. If not then it was at your own risk to be there.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2004, 03:19:06 PM »
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When people come onto our property hunting without permission they do so at the risk of their own life. My parents and grandparents made it well known that if you wanted to hunt the land you asked first. If not then it was at your own risk to be there.


Oh, sheeesh. What are you going to do, shoot them? :rolleyes:

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2004, 03:20:31 PM »
I will hunt the hunters(poachers) for you.
Hunted men before it is the ultimate rush.
LOL.
Ahh bringin back memories of central Ameerika.

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2004, 03:47:38 PM »
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I will hunt the hunters(poachers) for you.
Hunted men before it is the ultimate rush.
LOL.
Ahh bringin back memories of central Ameerika.


Are you Predator? :eek:

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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2004, 07:10:49 PM »
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Oh, sheeesh. What are you going to do, shoot them? :rolleyes:



UMM YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if somone comes on my property armed that is a direct threat to me and my family....even if he was just hunting.

now comon sense does come to play here...if he's wearing an orange hunting vest I might ask questions befor shooting.

Believe it or not Airhead it in some states you can still shoot people for tresspassing

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2004, 07:16:24 PM »
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UMM YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if somone comes on my property armed that is a direct threat to me and my family....even if he was just hunting.

now comon sense does come to play here...if he's wearing an orange hunting vest I might ask questions befor shooting.

Believe it or not Airhead it in some states you can still shoot people for tresspassing


This might be too hard for an aged, liberal city slicker to understand. ;)

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2004, 07:34:15 PM »
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This might be too hard for an aged, liberal city slicker to understand. ;)


probably.  Calling 911 and being put on hold isnt gonna save you if your home is about to be invaded.

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2004, 07:41:37 PM »
My grandparents have a piece of property and have nice big tall trees, well, people have chopped down some of these trees :-(..

I can't wait for my grandad to find my dads .22...
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2004, 07:47:14 PM »
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Believe it or not Airhead it in some states you can still shoot people for tresspassing


LMAO No you can't. There's not one State in the Nation that will allow you to shoot a trespasser unless he's a direct threat to your life and/or property. Even if you're acquitted for murder or manslaughter you'll take a royal screwing in civil court. If you shoot a trespasser for the simple fact he's trespassing then I suggest you bury him and bury him DEEP. The criminal justice system will fry your arse, bud.

"This might be too hard for an aged, liberal city slicker to understand."- Ripsnort

 I got news for ya Rip- it's called "real world." And the REAL world is different than this CYBER world, in that we don't shoot our neighbors twenty minutes after the power goes out, kill trespassers, become Karate experts, war heroes, porn stars or Super Dads, in the REAL world we all have real jobs and don't have time to do the mental mastrubation of imagining yourself offing Central American drug runners and boning down Sports Illustrated swimsuit models. It's only here some of us become Walter Mitty. In the "real" world you don't shoot trespassers. You call the Sheriff.

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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2004, 07:52:11 PM »
In no state in the Union can you use deadly force to protect property.  You can threaten it, but you can't use it.

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2004, 07:57:50 PM »
SUBCHAPTER B. JUSTIFICATION GENERALLY
§ 9.21. Public Duty

(a) Except as qualified by Subsections (b) and (c), conduct is justified if the actor reasonably believes the conduct is required or authorized by law, by the judgment or order of a competent court or other governmental tribunal, or in the execution of legal process.

(b) The other sections of this chapter control when force is used against a person to protect persons (Subchapter C), to protect property (Subchapter D), for law enforcement (Subchapter E), or by virtue of a special relationship (Subchapter F).

(c) The use of deadly force is not justified under this section unless the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is specifically required by statute or unless it occurs in the lawful conduct of war. If deadly force is so justified, there is no duty to retreat before using it.

HERE"S WERE IT GETS REALLY GOOD:

9.41. Protection of One's Own Property



(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.



(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:



(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or



(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.



Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.



§ 9.42. Deadly Force to Protect Property



A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:



(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and



(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:



(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or



(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and



(3) he reasonably believes that:



(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or



(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury



http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/cqcgi?CQ_SESSION_KEY=WODPIKZDWIIQ&CQ_QUERY_HANDLE=136357&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=2&CQ_TLO_DOC_TEXT=YES
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2004, 08:11:53 PM »
Guy up the road from me has 100 acres. He caught someone hunting his land, and he asked them to leave and not come back. Next time he caught them and confronted them, he was about to tell them the same thing when they started to raise a gun. He practically blew there leg off. Hehe. Bet that feller respects the rights of private property from now on.


Oh, no charges were filed.

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2004, 08:16:24 PM »
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Guy up the road from me has 100 acres. He caught someone hunting his land, and he asked them to leave and not come back. Next time he caught them and confronted them, he was about to tell them the same thing when they started to raise a gun. He practically blew there leg off. Hehe. Bet that feller respects the rights of private property from now on.


Oh, no charges were filed.


Alright, he fired in self defense. What's your point?