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Offline Sway

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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2004, 03:23:41 PM »
Urchin Says:

"Depends on the 109 I should think. P38 is going to have a tough time killing a G-10. The others should die pretty easily though.

A Spit 9 will destroy a P-38, so will a n1k. La7 will just run away from one, same with tiffie, most run09s and run90s, P51s. If you can trick one into fighting you you can kill it. Spit and N1k kinda make the P38 useless though, in my opinion."


All depens on who the pilots are, I am capable of out dogfighting an average n1k/spit pilot in a 38, no zooming, just flat/vert. turns.  P38 is stable so its good at low speed, and spit/n1k aren't as easy to control going slow.

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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2004, 06:38:21 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2004, 07:10:05 PM »
Did y'all go into the training arena or record your offline flying to hone your skills?  I've introduced a few friends of mine to the game and suggested that we go H2H to "play" without shooting.  Please respond.

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2004, 12:23:53 AM »
I agree about them fights, all depends on the pilots, a good 109

stick could handle a P-38 depending on alts and speeds etc.

Although there are some damn good 38 sticks out there also, ive

been blasted by my share of fair 1 vs 1 109 vs P-38 fights always

leaves me wonderin what the hell happend . Man thatd be cool,id

like to see a fight between good 109 and 38 sticks with fair alts

etc.

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2004, 02:53:07 PM »
Originally posted by gofaster
Took a bunch of rides yesterday, spent a few hours in the beast. Came to the conclusion that it pretty much sucks at everything except being a target for single-engine fighters.
 109s turn inside of it.

It can't get out of the way of HO'ing Spitfires.

N1ks dance around it like a May Pole.

Mustangs, Typhoons, and LA-7s just run away from it.

It will lose every single rolling turnfight to other fighters.

If you're not spot-on when shooting at a target on your high-speed run in to target, you're probably going to rip off a wingtip on your target's fuselage as you blow by the enemy on your high-speed guns pass.

Speaking of high-speed guns passes, get ready to compress at 350ias, which happens to be the average cruising speed for Mustangs, Tyhpoons and LA-7s. And get ready to lose your wingtip if they're going slower that that. If you see any of those 3 planes, don't try to fight them. Just go ahead and drop down to the nearest airfield target and try to shoot an inanimate object, because that will probably be the only points you'll get out of the flight.

The dash is so high, that you will never, ever see the maneuvering enemy airplane when you shoot, and 95% of your shots still won't have enough lead time.

The only planes the P-38 can kill are other twin-engine fighters. In other words, BF110s. And bombers.

Every piece of ordinance a P-38 can carry, a Corsair can carry, too. And its actually a fightable airplane.

Now I know why I stopped flying the P-38 a year or so ago.  



Very true......in certain conditions....:rolleyes::p
109s turn inside of it...only if u going at med to high speeds...depending on 109.
It can't get out of the way of HO'ing Spitfires.....if u dont use rudders and let em HO you.:rofl
N1ks dance around it like a May Pole......if u stay level and turn
Mustangs, Typhoons, and LA-7s just run away from it......and thats because they know better (run rather fight a P38)
It will lose every single rolling turnfight to other fighters.....again if u dont use rudders and try to roll at slow speeds...at 300mph+ P38 rolls like a FW190:aok
If you're not spot-on when shooting at a target on your high-speed run in to target, you're probably going to rip off a wingtip on your target's fuselage as you blow by the enemy on your high-speed guns pass.......occasionally...its called target fixation:p
Speaking of high-speed guns passes, get ready to compress at 350ias, which happens to be the average cruising speed for Mustangs, Tyhpoons and LA-7s. And get ready to lose your wingtip if they're going slower that that. If you see any of those 3 planes, don't try to fight them. Just go ahead and drop down to the nearest airfield target and try to shoot an inanimate object, because that will probably be the only points you'll get out of the flight.....lol again target fixation and all three are beaten in the vertical, just make sure they dont get guns on you first....especially typhie :eek:
The dash is so high, that you will never, ever see the maneuvering enemy airplane when you shoot, and 95% of your shots still won't have enough lead time......if u firing at 1.2k and u havent heard of customised views.:(
The only planes the P-38 can kill are other twin-engine fighters. In other words, BF110s. And bombers...in the hands of a spifire pilot maybe... :lol :p
Every piece of ordinance a P-38 can carry, a Corsair can carry, too. And its actually a fightable airplane.....heheh...ever stalled in one at 1000ft and recovered????:)
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2004, 03:32:05 PM »

if that happens then the p38 doesn't suck:D
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2004, 05:29:53 PM »
gofaster keep up the good work the more people that stop flying P38's the better for me and my P38:D
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2004, 06:02:49 PM »
Average.... b17skull... ;)

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2004, 06:48:22 PM »
gofaster....

u write:


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109s turn inside of it.

It can't get out of the way of HO'ing Spitfires.

N1ks dance around it like a May Pole.

Mustangs, Typhoons, and LA-7s just run away from it.

It will lose every single rolling turnfight to other fighters

   


but p-38 is not a turn but is a
STALLFIGTHER
i begin to be succesfully in p-38,
 since i have learned 4 secrets about it (from people like aka wadke XtremJ.....):
1)use flap !!
2)stay Fast as u can
3)manovre on vertical and climb!
4)use flap again!!!!

and of course there is no way to scream that a plane ****

even a not well armed plane like an italian 202 it is going to be bloody warbirds.....
.... if u ride it looking at the SA and to the E.....u know dude!!!
that is!!!!



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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2004, 07:15:25 PM »
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Average.... b17skull... ;)
lets see.  from my time at AH i've got 1 10+ kill sortie (h2h) and what 5 5-10 kill sorties.  Rare for me hehe.
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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2004, 09:26:33 AM »
Oh, I forgot to mention, I can't see crap out of that canopy.

On the night in question, I was flying intercepts out of A1 on Trinity with Bish 109s and Mustangs coming in from the north.  Fuel was porked to 25% so I was using the Lightning for intercepts since it had a pretty good fuel burn time at 25% and has the best climb of the big American planes.  Average alt of the incoming was 15k, average alt when I merged, 10k going nose up.  109s stayed above me the whole time, except when they dove away to extend out for another run.  Actually got a couple to go into a maneuvering fight in a scissors at 200ias-300ias and they outrolled me.  Rudders didn't help.  If my target didn't kill me at the scissors merge, then a Mustang coming in the blindspot did.

On the other hand, I've killed more P-38s (4) than have killed me (2).  Meanwhile, I've gotten 6 kills and died 12 times in it.  I'm 3 and 3 in the A-20.  Still a bit early to tell, but the P-38 is looking more like prey than a predator for me.

I'm giving up on the P-38 as a fighter.

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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2004, 09:28:04 AM »
Good thing the p38 is around so people forget about the p47!  :)

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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2004, 04:23:22 PM »
the p38 makes a great lawndart...


hmm...novelty p38 lawndarts...nonlethal...fun for all...i have a idea

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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2004, 04:52:41 PM »
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the p38 makes a great lawndart...


hmm...novelty p38 lawndarts...nonlethal...fun for all...i have a idea


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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2004, 05:43:33 PM »
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the p38 makes a great lawndart...


hmm...novelty p38 lawndarts...nonlethal...fun for all...i have a idea
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