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Offline JBA

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« on: January 12, 2004, 12:06:06 AM »
Do some of your own research. You'll find more.


When the story broke in the middle of December that a subsidiary of Halliburton was accused of charging too much for its contract services in Iraq, the media treated it as a big story. The implication was the administration was behind something dirty because of the vice president's ties with Halliburton.

The New York Times put the story on its Dec. 12 and Dec. 13 front pages and devoted 2,234 words to it. The Los Angeles Times and Washington Post also covered it, but were more circumspect.

The Los Angeles Times, which placed the story deeper in its front sections, cleared out enough space to let their writers go on for 1,140 words on Dec. 13 after taking a little more than 600 words to describe the situation on Dec. 12.

The Post had it as a 794-word front-page story on Dec. 12 and followed a day later with 882 words on page A19.

I would  like to be able to say that all three reported just as aggressively that Halliburton was cleared of wrongdoing. But  I can't.

The New York Times used 530 words on page A8 to report Wednesday that Halliburton was exonerated. On the same day, the Post gave it a brief mention in a longer story - on the front of its financial section.

The Los Angeles Times? It still hasn't found room for one word about Halliburton's vindication.

The kings of the elitist print media weren't alone in publicly exercising their bias. Two days before Christmas, just so people wouldn't forget, National Public Radio broadcast a show that examined Halliburton's "sweetheart" deal in Iraq.

Will NPR follow with an in-depth special outlining how Halliburton was cleared? We'll wait and see - but not for long.

Even politicians focused on the charges and failed to make a reasonable attempt at fairness when those charges were dropped.

Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman of California, for one, has demanded that the White House provide inside information on the Halliburton contract.

(I  have to ask here if any of Waxman's far-left support knows he took Halliburton campaign cash. It would also be nice to know if Waxman feels a sense of hypocrisy because it is Halliburton's business - it's an oil services firm - that partly motivates his actions.)

The affair was given similar treatment by smaller newspapers and television news, which is no surprise. The media prove yet again with the Halliburton nonincident that it has its darlings and its targets. And it's never hard to figure out who falls where.
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2004, 12:17:46 AM »
I don't think that's bias, I think that's just journalism.  It's a lot more interesting to find out people are doing wrong then it is to find out they weren't.

It happens just as often with both sides of the fence.

I'm sure there's media bias, but this isn't the proof you think it is.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2004, 09:17:21 AM »
Its bias to report "wrongly" one side of the story and not correct it, when you know it will make the paper look bad and the individuals in the story look good. This only seems to happen to conservatives. Whys that?
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2004, 09:21:35 AM »
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This only seems to happen to conservatives. Whys that?
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2004, 09:39:19 AM »
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Talk about irrefutable evidence.  I'm convinced!

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Are you trying to make a point?
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2004, 09:53:07 AM »
There are lots of ways to view 'bias', and these do not necessarily come about because of any political agenda.

Cut and paste from the 'Rhetorica' website:

Is the news media biased toward liberals? Yes. Is the news media biased toward conservatives? Yes. These questions and answers are uninteresting because it is possible to find evidence--anecdotal and otherwise--to "prove" media bias of one stripe or another. Far more interesting and instructive is studying the inherent, or structural, biases of journalism as a professional practice--especially as mediated through television.

Commercial bias: The news media are money-making businesses. As such, they must deliver a good product to their customers to make a profit. The customers of the news media are advertisers. The most important product the news media delivers to its customers are readers or viewers. Good is defined in numbers of readers or viewers. The news media are biased toward conflict because conflict draws readers and viewers. Harmony is boring.
 
Temporal bias: The news media are biased toward the immediate. News is what's new and fresh. To be immediate and fresh, the news must be ever-changing even when there is little news to cover.

Visual bias: Television (and, increasingly, newspapers) is biased toward  visual depictions of news. Television is nothing without pictures. Legitimate news that has no visual angle is likely to get little attention. Much of what is important in politics--policy--cannot be photographed.

Bad news bias: Good news is boring (and probably does not photograph well, either). This bias makes the world look like a more dangerous place than it really is. Plus, this bias makes politicians look far more crooked than they really are.

Narrative bias: The news media cover the news in terms of "stories" that must have a beginning, middle, and end--in other words, a plot. Much of what happens in our world, however, is ambiguous. The news media apply a narrative structure to ambiguous events suggesting that these events are easily understood and have clear cause-and-effect relationships. Good storytelling requires drama, and so this bias often leads journalists to add, or seek out, drama for the sake of drama. Controversy creates drama. Journalists often seek out the opinions of competing experts or officials in order to present conflict between two sides of an issue (referred to as the authority-disorder bias). Lastly, narrative bias leads many journalists to create, and then hang on to, master narratives--set story lines with set characters who act in set ways. Once a master narrative has been set, it is very difficult to get journalists to see that their narrative is simply one way, and not necessarily the correct or best way, of viewing people and events.
 
Status Quo bias: The news media believe "the system works." During the "fiasco in Florida," recall that the news media were compelled to remind us that the Constitution was safe, the process was working, and all would be well. The mainstream news media never questions the structure of the political system. The American way is the only way, politically and socially. In fact, the American way is news. The press spends vast amounts of time in unquestioning coverage of  the process of government. This bias ensures that alternate points of view about how government might run and what government might do are effectively ignored.

Fairness bias: No, this is not an oxymoron. Ethical journalistic practice demands that reporters and editors be fair. In the news product this bias manifests as a contention between/among political actors (also see narrative bias above). Whenever one faction or politician does something or says something newsworthy, the press is compelled by this bias to get a reaction from an opposing camp. This creates the illusion that the game of politics is always contentious and never cooperative. This bias can also create situations in which one faction appears to be attacked by the press. For example, politician A announces some positive accomplishment followed by the press seeking a negative comment from politician B. The point is not to disparage politician A but to be fair to politician B. When politician A is a conservative, this practice appears to be liberal bias.

Expediency bias: Journalism is a competitive, deadline-driven profession. Reporters compete among themselves for prime space or air time. News organizations compete for market share and reader/viewer attention. And the 24-hour news cycle--driven by the immediacy of television and the internet--creates a situation in which the job of competing never comes to a rest. Add financial pressures to this mix--the general desire of media groups for profit margins that exceed what's "normal" in many other industries--and you create a bias toward information that can be obtained quickly, easily, and inexpensively. Need an expert/official quote (status quo bias) to balance (fairness bias) a story (narrative bias)? Who can you get on the phone fast? Who is always ready with a quote and always willing to speak (i.e. say what you need them to say to balance the story)? Who sent a press release recently? Much of deadline decision making comes down to gathering information that is readily available from sources that are well known.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2004, 09:58:49 AM »
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Are you trying to make a point?


Sad that I have to explain it to you.  Saying that something "seems" a certain way is not proof of it.  You've proven nothing.

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2004, 10:01:52 AM »
Well I'll never get those 30 seconds back.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2004, 10:13:50 AM »
I was convinced of at least some bias during the last presidential election coverage. Specifically during the coverage of the post election fiasco. CNN covered it closely. However, it seemed to me that they gave more time and attention to the democrats than the republicans. Most times a democrat had something to say the reporters were quiet and didn't talk over them. When a republican had something to say they talked over them or switched to another story. I'm not saying this happened every time but it was very nocticeable to me. Prior to that I had no suspicions concerning bias.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2004, 10:17:07 AM »
cheney forgives haliburton.. yeah thats news.

should u believe an internal audit or a 'high ranking' army official that signs a waiver for haliburton to not provide auditing data?

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/06/news/companies/halliburton.reut/

media bias issue is a distraction.

corporate highjacking of the government is what you are to be distracted from.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2004, 10:24:16 AM »
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I was convinced of at least some bias during the last presidential election coverage. Specifically during the coverage of the post election fiasco. CNN covered it closely. However, it seemed to me that they gave more time and attention to the democrats than the republicans. Most times a democrat had something to say the reporters were quiet and didn't talk over them. When a republican had something to say they talked over them or switched to another story. I'm not saying this happened every time but it was very nocticeable to me. Prior to that I had no suspicions concerning bias.


Not only did the reporters talk over the republicans, but the moments they forgot to talk over them, the broadcast in my area bleeped out what the Republicans were saying and blurred their faces so you couldn't even read their lips!!

Now that's censureship!

the Liberal media has gone too far!

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2004, 10:31:33 AM »
Why did you change your handle Nexus?
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2004, 11:29:04 AM »
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Sad that I have to explain it to you.  Saying that something "seems" a certain way is not proof of it.  You've proven nothing.

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You didn't read the original post did you?
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2004, 12:10:48 PM »
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You didn't read the original post did you?


So a non-random sample of one now allows you to generalize to the entire population?  Amazing.

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2004, 02:32:04 PM »
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So a non-random sample of one now allows you to generalize to the entire population?  Amazing.

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You have a hard time making sense don't you. What "non-randomness" are you talking about? I sited a specific instance of bias. And what population am I generalizing, The established media? You don't need to be bias in every instance. Just as long as you commit the offence you are guilty.
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