WWIIOL is beating AH at gametek.com

[Grits]

Who cares which one wins? Its not going to make me lose any sleep one way or the other.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Grendel
offers a great flight simulator as well.

that's one thing WW2OL doesn't have and one thing that makes AH shine over WW2OL.


I do admit if I've got an hour to waste to travel to a fight, the ground war is fun.  But I usually don't like to waste an hour sitting in the back of a bouncing and swerving Bedford trying to watch the driver steer using the mouse.  So I'm usually in DoD if I want any type of 'infantry' combat where the action is fast and furious.


ack-ack

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Hajo
Grendel......in responce to your statement

I did....I bought the whole thing hook line and sinker when it first came out.  It was the most buggy, the most unusable...the most overated piece of Coaster Material ever unleashed on a naive PC Gamer Market.

Yes, that's what it was. I was there in day 1 and then skipped the next year.

Today it is a totally different, much much better game and simulation.

Judging WW2OL with its initial release is like talking about AH 1.0, which was quite crappy and had horrible FMs and feeling. It was disgusting and I gave AH up quickly, preferring WarBirds instead. Yet I enjoy AH today, as what it is now, not because what it was like in beta and 1.0.

Regarding "hour waiting to enter the fight" claim - perhaps you should check what the new depot spawning system is about. But the more tactical combat in MMOG scale is what brings me, a fanatic aviation, to play more WW2OL infantry war than any FPS shooters combined. Ok, a bit of BF42 excluded

But no matter - I'm not loosing my sleep over this. I play WW2OL, I play AH, I play FB, I play WB. They all got their good things, but as a war simulator WW2OL is the best one, while AH is fun and easy flying sim.

Calling WW2OL players quakers is still insulting, since you just clearly don't have a clue what it is like today and don't know what happens there, online.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by Arlo
Does this gametek pole mean a damned thing? I mean ... like ... do the voters of the winning game get to gloat that they voted better than the voters of the losing ones or something? Will HTC get some sort of game subsidy and pass it on to us if they win? I don't see a reason to get all excited or anxious or anything over this. *ShruG*

It's just a test to see which game has the most excitable fanboi community....

[Maniac]

What i find funny is that theres no way to see how many players are online in WWIIOL.

I find that fishy as hell...

[Ghosth]

Well I'm like Hajo, count me out.

I've tried it twice, once at the great debacle, and once again later when they were offering free 2 week trials.

STILL the game takes FOREVER to load and FOREVER to spawn.

FM is still highly suspect in certain areas. Not to mention the 64 unit vis thing thats being exploited.

I'd have to say that Targetware looks MUCH better than WWII ever did, and they not even out of beta, or asking for money.

Get bit by a rat once you don't go back in the rat cage.

My squad is even getting warmed up in there with several members playing regularly. But sorry, not interested.

WWIIOL should have stayed in development for at least another year, maybe 2. Not sure it will ever really recover.

BTW, how many are flying on any given prime time night? 10? 20?

You can't even tell who's on or where they are much less what they are in.

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Ghosth

WWIIOL should have stayed in development for at least another year, maybe 2. Not sure it will ever really recover.

BTW, how many are flying on any given prime time night? 10? 20?

You can't even tell who's on or where they are much less what they are in.

Yup, it should have stayed on dev longer. If I remember correctly the publisher ran out of patience and CRS was runnign out of money. So it was publish or die. They've been doing splendid job during past year and especially during the last 6 months, the game's gone much forward especially on the strategic scale.

About numbers: I dunno how many there are flying - it is thousands of square kilometers big game world. Several hundreds at usual European evening time I'd wager, given the number of airplanes I encounter each evening. Our squad averages 5-15 planes flying each evening and there's lots of aerial activity around battle zones. Add planes in transit and bombers flying strategic bombing missions, that is easily hundreds of pilots up all the time.

And I see easily who are up from our squad with a dot command and radio comms through TS2 show all our aerial squadron's and the neighbouring ground unit's personnel online. That's quite enough usually.

You showed again your minimal knowledge about WW2OL today. I could go around and claim AH is crap, because it was crap at 1.0. I don't do that, because I know what AH is today and base my opinions on what the product really is like.

[MC_Honky]

I wonder how much  Strategy First had to do with WWII online fiasco?  They were in the middle of the Strike Fighters wal-mart scandal -1.5 years after they release Strike Fighters - it finally becomes playable.  Same with WWII Online.

[Gixer]

There's quite a few posts here which really are "old news" as far as WW2OL and people really should give it a decent look (more then 2 weeks) in as it's come along way since then. I thought the same and was turned off by the FM etc. But given the environment,map detail and what's going on around you. Now I can put up with the odd oddicies of the FM and actually enjoy it.

Mainly because of the environment. Your actually supporting a real ground war, either by clearing enemy aircraft attacking your guys, or clearing the way of enemy fighters so your bombers etc can get through.

There are a couple of things I actually prefer over the AH FM in WW2OL, you actually have engine temo to worry about and the icon system the way it fades in and out. No more Star Wars like dot radar to help you out.

Oh and plus of course the graphics, AH is really stuck in the 90's and it showed when I started in 01 let alone now that we are in 04.

As for the ground there's no comparission between that and what we see in AH.

Just my two cents on the comparrison. I really hope AH2 comes out and soon. And that it is an improvement in many ways over the current version. Otherwise it's going to be very hard for HT to get new customers and even hold the existing ones. As there is alot of very good compition out there which will only increase even more over the coming months.



...-Gixer

[wklink]

I really do hate the comparisons between AH and WW2 Online.  They are apples and oranges to me.  To me it is like comparing Operation Flashpoint to LOMAC.  Both have the A-10 in them but they aren't on the same level and neither tries to be the other one.  There is no reason that you can't like both.  Being an AH fan and a WW2 Online fan is perfectly possible.

I am starting to get back into WW2 Online.

Hajo, the game was a buggy piece of cow dung when it was first released.  I have no qualms in saying that I was more than a little ticked off at the first version of this game.  Like you I picked it up the first week and bought into it only to not be able to log on, then to find terrible lag, poor gameplay and aweful flight models.

The game has improved significantly, if just from the three or four days that I have actually played the thing.  It doesn't take 10 minutes to load anymore, the lag has been reduced dramatically and the game actually looks pretty good.  Some of the flight model stuff is still very suspect but it is better than it used to be.  I don't think it will come close to AH for flight model fidelity but it is better and the chance to fly the He111 or the Blehnem into battle is pretty appealing to a lot of folks.  

WW2 Online does have some things going very well for it.  I won't be leaving AH anytime soon but then again, I don't play WW2 Online for the same reasons I fly AH.  It's like comparing IL2:FB to Battlefield 1942 IMHO.  Both have their merits, both are fun but they aren't the same game.

[Maniac]

About numbers: I dunno how many there are flying - it is thousands of square kilometers big game world. Several hundreds at usual European evening time I'd wager,

Ya, an this pisses me off, why the hell cant they show how many people are online? to hard to program perhaps

You can wager all you want but its still fishy as hell why they choose not to show the numbers online...

[Dowding]

You showed again your minimal knowledge about WW2OL today. I could go around and claim AH is crap, because it was crap at 1.0.

That argument doesn't wash I'm afraid. Even at 1.0 AH did exactly what it said on the tin. WW2OL cannot claim the same about its release (just check the box). I don't think HTC hyped the game up to the extent that CRS did, with all sorts of broken promises. You'll never get away from the fact that at launch WW2OL was absolutely awful, and only now is it even worth trying.

[DrDea]

I gotta say Im with Hajo on the WW2OL thing.I bought it and they wouldnt take it back.I was screwed royaly with the rest of the poor miserable bastards that spent good money on crap.Now this site doing the vote is asking for a 10$ fee to be a jewel encrusted Platinun pro gold edition member.Sounds like a scam of sorts to get noted.I would personaly invest a paycheck into Voss's to put out some more vaporware than give WW2 another shot at ripping me off.no thanks.

[Shane]

oooh  that was harsh dr.

[YUCCA]

And so true....