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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2004, 06:39:45 PM »
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..unlike Joe Wilson, Mr. O'Neil has buckeled to the considerable preassure that Bush & Co. can weild.


(Sorry, couldn't resist)

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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2004, 07:13:33 PM »
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(Sorry, couldn't resist)


Nice chopper...that a slick or gunship?


Just why do you think Mr. O'Neil would do a 180 so quickly?


The skuttlebutt I was refering too comes from DC.....sit tight, we'll see if there's any truth to the rumors in due time.

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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2004, 09:01:44 PM »
I've met plenty of people in real life with whom I had heated and hateful arguments on the BBS many times. Guess what we realized the BBS is irrelevant and we all got along fine even if we still disagrred on some of the same arguments...

People say you dont talk in real life as you do on BBS because "the other guy will kick your ass"  well thats yet more big talk showoff BBS crap, you dont talk the way on BBS because it's a anotrher person a real person and not some internet caricature...

And yes the names do matter beacuse whatever importance you chose attaqch to these discussiond and BBS personalities they are tied to the BBS handle. So if somebody goes around anonnymously changing names it makes them dishonest and kinda stupid because they place so much importance on their name.

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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2004, 09:55:07 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/oneill_charges_040113.html


someone steps up to corroborate the pre-9/11 saddam focus  per O'Neil.  Not that Bush tried to deny it.  He just tried to blame it on Clinton.

However, you look a little deeper and realize that Bush squandered the goodwill of the entire planet post 9/11 for his Iraqi adventure the War College (and Howie Dean) called a "diversion from the war on terror"  

nice

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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2004, 09:57:52 PM »
The war college didnt say anything. One instructor wrote an opinon article...

Sheesh...

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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2004, 11:14:57 PM »
I admit that I have not seen it, but it was reported on the news as such - an official opinion paper from the War College.  Do you (or anyone) have a link to the text of it?  

btw grats on the gpa, even though business is a lame major :)

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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2004, 09:54:41 PM »
Here is the article, it is written by one person only but it is published in the Army War College Quarterly (The United States Army's Senior Professional Journal)

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/03winter/contents.htm

looks prety well documented too.  

I think your pooh-poohing of this as an opinion article form an instructor doesnt hold water - this is a scholarly writing, not some editorial.  here is the gist
"This article identifies and examines the Bush Doctrine’s major tenets, and then assesses the doctrine’s strengths and weaknesses within the context of the Administration’s prospective attack on Iraq. "

and here is the conclusion
"However convincing the case for an attack on Iraq, preemption as a declaratory doctrine lacking criteria but applicable to a generic category of states invites real trouble after Iraq, and for that reason could turn out to be a poor, even impossible basis for America’s relations with the rest of the world.

Coda

In the earliest years of the Cold War, before the Soviet Union exploded its first atomic bomb, there were calls in the United States for preventive war against another evil dictator. The calls continued even after the Soviets detonated their first bomb in 1949. Indeed, in the following year, the Commandant of the Air Force’s new Air War College publicly asked to be given the order to conduct a nuclear strike against fledgling Soviet atomic capabilities. “And when I went to Christ,” said the Commandant, “I think I could explain to Him why I wanted to do it now before it’s too late. I think I could explain to Him that I had saved civilization. With it [the A-bomb] used in time, we can immobilize a foe [and] reduce his crime before it happened.”69

President Truman fired the Commandant, preferring instead a long, hard, and, in the end, stunningly successful policy of containment and deterrence. "




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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2004, 11:33:46 PM »
The fact that it's a well written opinion article does not change that it's an opinion article.