Author Topic: To SaburoS about Canon 10D (Read 578 times)

DA98 · « **on:** January 15, 2004, 07:28:19 PM »

Hi,
I remember that you got an EOS 10D as a Christmas present. How is it working? And the 550EX, is it as good as Canon says, or as bad as some users claim? Is it worth the money? Any pic you can share with us?

I'm almost convinced to buy the D-Rebel + 550EX + one or two extra lenses + filters... knowing the differences with the 10D, wich of the missing features do you think it's the most important? Also, what do you expect from the next Canon DSLR? Is the current generation "good enough", or can we expect any significant improvement in the near future, like 35mm sensors or increased dynamic range? I understand that current DSLRs are equal or slightly superior in quality than 35mm film... it should be enough, but any extra dynamic range is always welcome

DA98 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2004, 12:38:51 PM »

-=BUMP=-

SaburoS · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2004, 03:40:42 PM »

Sorry, didn't see this til now. Sorry but I'm going to be long winded now

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Wow, where do I start?
I had the Canon D300 (Digital Rebel) for the 30 day trial period Sears was offering. If you're going to be using JPEG only, then I'd say save the money and get that camera.
It has these advantages over the 10D:
1) Lighter (don't confuse the polymer body as being flimsy as it's very stiff. Stiffer in fact over the old D30-D60 series cameras)
2) A bit better low light sensitivity making for a faster focus lock-on. Will focus down to 0.5 EV where the 10D's lower limit is 2.0 EV. Keep in mind, using a flash unit with its infrared focus assist, will eliminate any DRebel advantage. They all seem to focus at the same speed down to complete darkness.
3) The price!!!
The advantages of the 10D:
1) AI Servo (continuous focus mode) on advanced settings. The DRebel only allows it on two Basic modes: Full Auto and Sports mode. If you want to shoot RAW files and you want AI Servo, you need to get the 10D. Canon dumbed down the firmware to not allow some features of the 10D. When you start going to 16 x 20" Pics and larger, RAW files are the way to go. At 13 X 19" and smaller, hard to tell the difference between JPEG and RAW.
2) Can shoot 3 fps for up to 9 frames as opposed to the DRebel's 2.5 fps for 4 frames. If shooting RAW files, this is a big limitation as it takes a while for the buffer to clear. I like to shoot RAW + large JPEG which the 10D allows.
3) Adjustable white balance in degrees Kelvin Adjustable @100.

I needed to switch to the 10D because I like to shoot RAW files so reasons 1 and 2 above were the main reasons for the switch.

I am completely sold on the 550EX so far. I have it set on the ETTL mode and it has been working wonderfully for me. I have my 10D set on Manual usually so all I need to do is take a couple of test shots, check the histogram info and make my shutter speed and/or apeture adjustments.

There is another "must have" item to have if you're shooting indoors w/external flash:
Tiffen's StroboFlip VH 2000 StroboFrame (you'll need to get Canon's #CZ6-2359 Off-Camera Shoe Cord 2).
When shooting indoors, particularly individuals, I favor vertical framing. The Stroboflip allows a fast/easy positioning that keeps the slash unit upright whether you choose to shoot a horizontal or vertical framed shot.
Worth its weight in gold.

If you are going to be favoring 13 x 19" or lower prints (even 16 x 20" turn out okay) then JPEG is the way to go. If the 2.5 fps @ 4 frames is not a bad limit for you, by all means I definitely recommend the DRebel. Awesome camera for the money. Get the 550 EX no matter which camera you decide on. Its just a flash unit not to worry about as it's that good. The people having problems with exposure issues just aren't reading the user's manuals of both the flash unit and the camera IMHO.

Althought the 18-55mm lens that comes in the DRebel kit is a good one for the money, I still don't like it. Get the body only if it saves you that hundred $ and spend it on the 17-40mm F/4.0 L USM. That lens "is all that and a bag of chips" heh. It is THAT GOOD. In fact that lens should arrive today as that will suppliment my 70-200mm f/2.8 L USM. My next lens purchase (which is a ways away) will most likely be Sigma's 120-300mm F/2.8 along with their 1.4 TC.

All in all, it most depends on what type of photography you'll be taking.

Canon's next camera I can only guess. It looks like the 1D is being phased out so I'm expecting something like this:
Canon 2D 6-10 MP @ 10-15 fps for 20-30 frames. Wireless file transfer capability. Probably priced in the $2500-3000. range. It will have even faster focusing than the 1D. Maybe based on a CMOS unlike the CCD of the 1D.

I'll try to see about uploading some images, but it'll have to wait for now.

Hope I've answered your questions to your satisfaction. Ask more if I haven't.
Regards.

DA98 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2004, 05:16:47 PM »

Hi, first of all, sorry for not answering before, and thanks for your exhaustive reply!

Last news and info from Nikon seems to suggest that the D70 will replace the D100 at a much lower price. An official announcement is due to be made next week.

The specs list is impressive:

(from the http://www.dpreview.com Nikon forum)

Nikon D70
By Thom
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The cat's out of the bag...

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Add a comment or send Thom feedback on this article.

Well, it'll only be a few days before the official announcement, and the D70 brochure is now floating around the net, so I've redone the page to reflect this new, essentially verified information (I won't tell you how it go to me, but I'm looking at a PDF file that is the near final English brochure).

Specifications:

6.1mp CCD (3008 x 2000 Large, 2240x1448 Medium, 1504x1000 Small sizes), 12-bit in NEF.

ISO 200 to 1600, Auto.

30 second to 1/8000 shutter, combined electronic/mechanical, so flash sync is 1/500!

1005-pixel Color CCD Matrix meter.
1.8" color LCD.
Auto rotation of images (while viewing, too).
20 frame buffer, 3 fps.
5-sensor CAM900 AF module.

M, A, S, P exposure modes, plus 7 scene modes (Auto, Portrait, Landscape, Close-up, Sports, Night Portrait, Night Landscape).

I-TTL support (up to three wireless groups, flash value lock, ala D2h).
N80-like On Demand gridlines in viewfinder.
25 Custom Settings (not listed).
PICT-Bridge, EXIF 2.21, DPOF Support.

18mm eyepoint (-1.6 to +5 diopter adjust), 95% frame coverage at .75x magnification.

Exposure compensation and ISO setting in 1/3 stop (or 1/2 stop).

Image enhancement settings: Normal, Vivid, Sharp, Soft, Direct Print, Landscape, and Custom (controls sharpening, contrast, tone, color, saturation, and hue, available in P, S, A, and M exposure modes).

Capture 4.1 (optional, see below).
It doesn't have a threaded shutter release.
It has front and back command dials.
It has the N75 style autofocus mode switch on the front.
It has the N75 DOF button on the front, close to the lens mount at the bottom.

The body design is a bit taller than the N75 and uses a cross of D100 and D2h styling.

It's an all-black body design.
USB, though it isn't specified whether 1.1 or 2.0.
The external connections appear to be under a rubber side cover ala the D100.
EN-EL3 lithium ion battery (or use CR2 batteries).
No PC Sync terminal (requires AS-14).
ML-L3 Infrared Remote control (no 10-pin connector).
Metering mode button is behind shutter release
A new consumer-oriented DX lens will accompany the actual product launch.
US$999 street price without lens. Euro1100 without lens.
Does not meter with AI and AI-S lenses.
1.5x angle of view change, ala other Nikon DSLRs.
Weight is 595g without battery (~21 ounces).
Since many are interested in the controls, here's what I see:

AE-L, AF-L button.
Autofocus sensor pad plus AF pad lock.
Delete (trashcan) button.
Playback button
Menu button
Sensitivity/Thumbnail button
White Balance/Protect/Help button
Image Quality/Size/Playback button
Flash exposure compensation button is the flash release button!
Other:

An 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G DX AF-S ID-EF lens will appear with the D70, with a street price for the lens of perhaps US$500 or less.

SB-600 Speedlight.
Coolwalker Digital Photo Storage Viewer (digital wallet type device)!
Capture 4.1 adds:

D70 support.
Multi-image window (images from multiple folders).
Color moire reduction.
Faster.
Plug-in Filter support!
Direct JPEG to NEF conversion.
Option to save individual parameter in instruction set.
LCH eitor and Chroma booster.
As I learn more, I'll update this page.
Version history
1/21/04:

Re-did page to reflect information in D70 brochure (yes, someone sent me a copy).

1/21/04:

Added Image Enhancement info, Auto ISO, flash value lock, battery info, auto rotation, 12-bit, image sizes (L, M, S), no PC Sync, infrared control.

I will definitely wait for the D70 to be officially presented. If the rumors are confirmed, this camera will fill almost all the areas where the DRebel fails, for only 100€ more...

SaburoS · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2004, 12:16:44 AM »

Good thing to wait if you don't have to have a DSLR now.
That Nikon shows a lot of promise for the $.
Can't really go wrong with either the Nikon or Canon series DSLRs.

SaburoS · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2004, 01:36:28 AM »

Look at the Canon 1D MkII. WOW! If it turns out to be as good as described, I'll be getting one in the oh-so distant future. Head and shoulders above any other DSLR. The post processing software is just as impressive being that it is included.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/pr/canon_01292004_1dmarkii_pr.html

Yeah, I'm drooling

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2004, 01:49:28 AM »

D70 looks great.

That or a Coolpix 8700 (loved the 5700) will be my next camera.

SaburoS · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2004, 11:05:12 PM »

Get the D70. The Point and shoot cameras are noise makers in comparison to the DSLR's. Plus a lot slower. A good DSLR to a P & S is like Broadband to dialup

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2004, 11:21:28 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Get the D70. The Point and shoot cameras are noise makers in comparison to the DSLR's. Plus a lot slower. A good DSLR to a P & S is like Broadband to dialup

Yes D70 has obvious performance advantages, but the 8700 is hardly a P&S - plus its so much smaller and I dont have to buy extra len$. Really loved the 5700s macro too.. Its nice to have both choices..

SaburoS · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2004, 11:41:32 AM »

Don't confuse my labeling the 8700 as a P & S. That's just a name given to non-interchangable lens cameras. For most, the P & S types will do just fine as long as one is willing to work within those restrictions of a P & S.

Boroda · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2004, 12:10:12 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Good thing to wait if you don't have to have a DSLR now.
That Nikon shows a lot of promise for the $.
Can't really go wrong with either the Nikon or Canon series DSLRs.

They still support F bayonet mount, but no metering with MF lenses, and I have quite a pack of good AI and AI-s lenses from my Kiev...

Entry-level AF lenses are dirt-cheap, but I think I'll stick to film for at least several next years. I've got a good film-scanner and I don't like all that modern bells and whistles like autofocus that's smarter then me and knows better what I want. Film is dirt-cheap now and I don't need to print it. And I have several hundreed negatives to scan yet

It's a pity "digital ice" doesn't work on old B&W negatives.

Mini D · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2004, 10:55:46 AM »

I decided the D300 based pretty much on what I read in this thread. I love it. :

Boroda · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2004, 01:47:23 PM »

Great picture!

I think you focused manually? What lense is it?

Mini D · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2004, 02:30:02 PM »

I don't recall if I focused manually or not on this one. I most likely did since the tree branches in the foreground tend to cause some autofocussing anomilies. The lense is a Canon EF 75-300mm (entry level) telephoto lense. I had it all the way out to 300 for this one.

MiniD

hyena426 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2004, 03:08:43 PM »

nice pics,,makes me want a new digital cam,,mine is like 7 years old,,way out of date,,lol cannon make a pretty dependable digital cam? how good are olyimpus? heard there good for there price,,im lookin around the 200 too 300 dollar range,,my cousin gots a nice 300 dollar sony,,seems nice anyways,,3.somthing mega pixs,, i heard new cams are battery eaters from hell:)