Tour Stats

[Minotaur]

AKDejaVu;

Well, at least I now understand our point of contention.

You want to consider fighter vs fighter, only A2A.  IMO this is only but a part of what I consider success in the MA.  None the less, a very interesting perspective.  For example the CSN for the La5-FN might be much higher, should it carry A2G ordnance.

BTW thanks for the charts, they are very nice!  
 
I consider the success ratio or CSN to be fighter vs anything anytime.  Like I have said before, I make no conclusions.  However; I do use a simplistic approach and I look at only two things:

• How much play does the A/C get  
• How successful is it when it is used

I do find it a little humorous, that you and so many others seem to focus solely on the F4U-1C.  Sadly it has indeed become a sensitive subject, but totaly worn out and very tired.

(The F4U-1C is at the top of my list for alphabetic reasons and no other)


For myself, I tend to focus on the planes that seem capable, but do very poorly.

 

By Straffo
60% of the CSN is constituted by only 5 planes

Straffo says it the best.

Salute!  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Hind tit suckin whiners. Begone with yah!"
Hangtime

[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 11-04-2000).]

[Swager]

Real men fly the Me109 F-4!!

Real brave men fly the MC202!!


HeHe!!!!    

[Fishu]

Hmm... WHY would you take out bomber kills from the scores?
Those are VERY important too.

or wan't a prove?  go try kill B-17 in C.202 and then with F4u 1c..
Now.. there comes a little score difference that we possibly can't bypass.

[AKDejaVu]

 

Hmm... WHY would you take out bomber kills from the scores?
Those are VERY important too.

They weren't taken out.. they were separated.  That was done because they are entirely different stats.

 

And Mino said:

I do find it a little humorous, that you and so many others seem to focus solely on the F4U-1C. Sadly it has indeed become a sensitive subject, but totaly worn out and very tired.

Erm.. let me refresh your failing memory:

 

IMHO, the Ostwind has too significant of a role as does the F4U-1C.
The more I look at the stats the more I wonder "What if?"

What if, the F4U-1C was not in the plane set? How much more attention would the other planes get. How would it change game as we all know it to be right now?

Look at these numbers closely

With a pointer to this thread.  Notice how I responded well after that?  Don't pretend like you had no intentions of showing anything other than just stats.

 

You want to consider fighter vs fighter, only A2A. IMO this is only but a part of what I consider success in the MA. None the less, a very interesting perspective. For example the CSN for the La5-FN might be much higher, should it carry A2G ordnance.

Nope.. its just that these figures are used to judge the aircraft in each role.  If that is to be done.. present the data for each role.  You fail to do that.  Post all the data you want.. just don't pretend it shows the whole picture.

If you want to do that.. you are going to have to take the time to research it a little more.  If you don't want to take that time.. you'll have to accept that the data is too vague to really draw any conlcusions from.

If you can get over that.. then we'll move on to the difference between kills, deaths and sorties

AKDejaVu

[Minotaur]

Ouch!

AKDejaVu;

Thread mixing?  I believe my quote you pulled was from a thread dealing with that very same topic or at least related to it.

Doh....  As usual, you are full of it.  

BTW are you some kind of Net Nanny?  Did some one appoint you the "Official Hanky Spanky AH BBS of High Ranky"?  I must have missed that announcement from HTC.  

Should all us players think just like you?  Maybe we could all E-Mail our posts to your office, prior to posting.  This is so they would all get the proper editorial content.  AH according AKDejaVu, now that would be totally cool.  Right?  

Sorry, I digress and I'm off topic...

I guess I need to learn to stop responding to your rubbish.  That is the easiest solution.

At any rate, no thanks for your replies to date.  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Hind tit suckin whiners. Begone with yah!"
Hangtime

[AKDejaVu]

 

Thread mixing? I believe my quote you pulled was from a thread dealing with that very same topic or at least related to it.

Erm.. who mixed threads?  I came to this thread from the pointer in that one.  Wierd eh?

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I guess I need to learn to stop responding to your rubbish. That is the easiest solution

Or.. you could reply by calling me "Official Hanky Spanky AH BBS of High Ranky" or "full of it".

I missed where I insulted you.  I disagree with many of the conclusions drawn from the data you posted. Feel free to insult me any time that happens.

Until then, if you post a total CSN that increases, it may be eroneous to assume that every sub-category increased.  Don't get too upset if that's pointed out.

AKDejaVu

[CRASH]

I think the data suggests that the f4c has an ubalancing effect on game play.  I would conclude that the numbers verify what many of us already know to be true from an anectodal standpoint, that the far superior firepower of the f4c combined with the prevelance of the head on attack is responsible for this result. The f4c's numbers in tour 8 against fiters are almost twice as high as the next plane in line, the nik.  The nik doesnt survive head ons nearly as well as the f4c.  
     It's unfortunate that this trend wasn't recognized and corrected by htc earlier.  IMO any aircraft that only saw 200 or so in operational combat has no business being introduced into a WWII flight sim, except for maybe limited scenario use.  I understand why Htc did it, but after having proven itself to probably be the biggest detriment to game play thus far I'm suprised it hasn't been corrected.  

CRASH

[Fariz]

 

Originally posted by Swager:
Real men fly the Me109 F-4!!

Real brave men fly the MC202!!


HeHe!!!!      

Real men fly real planes, not virtual  

[AKDejaVu]

 

The f4c's numbers in tour 8 against fiters are almost twice as high as the next plane in line, the nik. The nik doesnt survive head ons nearly as well as the f4c.

Yet in tour 9, the F4u-1C only enjoyed a 22% lead over the N1K2.  The N1K2's k/d increased while the F4u-1C k/d dropped nearly 20%.. its CSN 10%.  The F4u-1C's stats actually went down for everthing except ground-vehicle attacks.  Weird eh?

 

the far superior firepower of the f4c combined with the prevelance of the head on attack is responsible for this result

It has the same firepower as the Typhoon.  It is less durable than the Typhoon (IMO).  Many aircraft can damage nearly as quickly.  The Spitfires have two of the cannons themselves... the P-38L has one of them too.  I also don't recall surviving more than two pings from an N1K2 or a 30mm 109.

As for the head on attack portion.. can't really fault the plane for that.  You can't only fault the enemy for that either.  I don't recall getting in an HO gun blazing engagement with a single fighter last tour.  I did HO a lanc.  The poor pilot didn't know what to do  Pointing out.. I wasn't flying a 1C last tour at all.

The F4u-1C did worse against fighters last tour than it has for some time (at least since tour 7.. don't have data completed for prior to that).  It also did worse against bombers than it did in tour 8 (CSN dropped 30% and K/D dropped 20%).  The only place the F4u-1C did better was against ground vehicles.  It did significantly better in that category.  But then.. why shouldn't it?

AKDejaVu

[AKDejaVu]

Also.. something needs to be pointed out in regards to the CSN.

The CSN does not handle surviving very well.  It needs kills and deaths to calculate its formula.

Did the 1C die 1100 more times this tour than last because it was flown 12% more.. or did it die because it RTB'd 15% less?

AKDejaVu