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Offline MJHerman

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« Reply #120 on: January 19, 2004, 03:47:08 PM »
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No. Nobody has to be convicted to be held in custody.


Although traditonally they do have to be charged with something...


*Braces for the legal hocus pocus "They are not US citizens detained on US soil so therefore the law does not apply to them and they are enemy combatants so therefore POW protections aren't afforded to them so therefore so therefore so therefore so therefore so therefore so therefore" statements in response*
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« Reply #121 on: January 19, 2004, 03:49:18 PM »
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Im for that they get a fair trial. Did i say anything else?

Cant stand when someone challenges your way of thinking? you have to resort to the : Your either with us or against us policy?


They are getting trials, its obvious.  If they were not distingusing between guilt or innocence  (this is what a trial does) why were some released?

As for the other comment I was simply surprised that in europe nobody is arrested and detained until after they have been tried and convicted - thats neat. :)
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« Reply #122 on: January 19, 2004, 03:51:10 PM »
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As for the other comment I was simply surprised that in europe nobody is arrested and detained until after they have been tried and convicted - thats neat.


Its a subtle differance between being detained for 2 months and 2 years.

Either way, if we held someone here for 2 years he would be rich if he came out "innocent".
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« Reply #123 on: January 19, 2004, 03:51:25 PM »
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Although traditonally they do have to be charged with something...


*Braces for the legal hocus pocus "They are not US citizens detained on US soil so therefore the law does not apply to them and they are enemy combatants so therefore POW protections aren't afforded to them so therefore so therefore so therefore so therefore so therefore so therefore" statements in response*


They are getting their trials, be happy.  Unless of course you are in the random release camp.
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« Reply #124 on: January 19, 2004, 03:53:22 PM »
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Its a subtle differance between being detained for 2 months and 2 years.

Either way, if we held someone here for 2 years he would be rich if he came out "innocent".


Would you let them out on bail? Many trials in the USA last for a long time and some suspects are considered a flight risk and a danger to public safety so bail is not granted. I'll take it that people cought in afghanistan in a terror environment fit both criteria.
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« Reply #125 on: January 19, 2004, 03:55:14 PM »
No bail system at all.
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« Reply #126 on: January 19, 2004, 03:55:43 PM »
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They are getting their trials, be happy.  Unless of course you are in the random release camp.


Which trials might those be?  You make the assumption that because a person is released from custody it means that they must have had a "trial".

Do you think that every person who is arrested in the US receives a trial before being released from police custody?  Often a release is a matter of police discretion, i.e., the cops know that they don't have enough to charge the offender, so they better cut him loose before a judge slaps their wrists.

If they had a trial, they must have been charged with something.  If you could give me some insight on what those charges were it would be appreciated.
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« Reply #127 on: January 19, 2004, 04:03:09 PM »
Yes I do assume that a realese means that this person was judged not to be guilty - thats precisely what trials to in the criminal courts.

According to what you said your police analogy does not apply, no charges and no criminal court system in cuba.

So based on that I'll take it  you are in the random release camp - they let those guys go because they were all born in June....  ;)
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« Reply #128 on: January 19, 2004, 04:04:13 PM »
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No bail system at all.


And you think there should  be for this group?
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« Reply #129 on: January 19, 2004, 04:06:50 PM »
No.

But the "law" should be swift consider that they are 2 12-yr olds.

You could be creating the next generation of Osama´s if it aint swift...
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« Reply #130 on: January 19, 2004, 04:09:28 PM »
Why should we consider that they are 12 year olds, should we give them lollipops with their religiously appropriate meals at gitmo?

One of these dear 12 year olds murdered a special forces medic who was treating him....
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« Reply #131 on: January 19, 2004, 04:10:25 PM »
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One of these dear 12 year olds murdered a special forces medic who was treating him....


Oh! i had no idea! You have a link?
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« Reply #132 on: January 19, 2004, 04:14:34 PM »
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What is that age X anyway? Anyone have the book that defines it?


In the UK the age of criminal responsibility is 10, but they have special courts to try children and young people (I believe children are defined as 10+ - 15 and young people 15+ - 17)

It wouldn't surprise me if it was the same or similar in the States.

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« Reply #133 on: January 19, 2004, 04:19:14 PM »
So it's country specific? Ah, OK!

What age is it on the Gaza strip? Iran? Saudi Arabia?

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #134 on: January 19, 2004, 04:20:06 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,941876,00.html

This talks of one of the kids, may or may not be the one I rememember reading about.

"Last week, Toronto's Globe and Mail newspaper reported that the youth, now 16, is being held in Guantanamo and that US officials have refused access to Canadian officials. The newspaper quoted unidentified sources as saying that the youth allegedly threw a grenade that killed Sergeant 1st Class Christopher James Speer, 28, of Albuquerque, New Mexico."



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/16/1073878008032.html

This article details the inhumane conditions they are subjected to.
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