Miko2D supports the Iraq war!

[GRUNHERZ]

My ethical standards are very simple. Agression/coercion is wrong and evil. The only acceptable agression/coersion is the one directed to defend/prevent an unprovoked aggression/coercion.

Notice the word prevent...

[mrblack]

Yeah but you know the really cool thing?
He has a right to his opinion just like you do:aok

[vorticon]

"prevent" can only be used if there is evidence that something will happen...

[Boroda]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Notice the word prevent...

There is a chance that Zimbabwe plans a terrorist attack against Yellowstone national park. BOMB THEM TO STONE AGE TO PREVENT THEM FROM KILLING YOUR BEARS!!!

What? they already live in stone age?...  

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Boroda
What? they already live in stone age?...  

BOMB THEM BACK TO THE PEBBLE AGE!

And then back to Bedrock with Barney Rubble!

[miko2d]

Good point GRUNHERZ - not a valid one but conducive to the further discussion.

 You are actually correct in that I would support the Iraq war if it was conducted in accordance with principles of freedom. What I oppose is the "Iraq War" - a war waged by american government by exercising coercion on people who are not a party to the conflict.

 I have no problem with anybody volunteering or hiring to go to Iraq and join any local group fighting against oppression by local government or foreign agression.

 I may even donate some funds and supplies to the liberation cause - with two babies I do not have enough time to expend my ammo stash in order to replace it with fresh one.

 The war waged by american government involves coercion - using coercively collected tax money and military personnel to fight a war that is not defensive on the part of US.

 Just because I endorce the use of coercion/violance against an agressor, it does not mean I endorce coercing people to protect someone else against an agressor or opressor.

 If Boroda attacks you or someone else, you have my support in coercing him all you want.
 That does not mean I would condone you drafting Mrblack, taxing Vorticon and killing Nakhui in order to get Boroda.

 miko

[Dago]

Miko only posts stuff that he reads on his Libertarian newsletter.  I doubt he has had an original thought in his life.

Sad things is that some of the people who read this forum actually think he comes up with all that stuff he starts threads with himself.  Naw, just regurgitating his Liberatarian literature.

Rip, in case you haven't noticed, Miko hates everything our country does.


dago

[slimm50]

Oh, good grief, Miko2D! What kinda world would we have if if every time we saw a threat the military, for example, said something like "OK you pukes, lissinup! There's a madman over there who is promising to kill us all if given a chance....who wants to go and put a stop to it? Let's see a show of hands. Anyone not interested can go back to whatever it is you were doing". What you're talking about seems like anarchy. I pays my taxes, and if I don't like how the tax dollars are spent, I become more politically active: write letters, vote for candidates who think more like I do, etc.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by slimm50
Oh, good grief, Miko2D! What kinda world would we have if if every time we saw a threat the military, for example, said something like "OK you pukes, lissinup! There's a madman over there who is promising to kill us all if given a chance....who wants to go and put a stop to it? Let's see a show of hands. Anyone not interested can go back to whatever it is you were doing". What you're talking about seems like anarchy. I pays my taxes, and if I don't like how the tax dollars are spent, I become more politically active: write letters, vote for candidates who think more like I do, etc.

That'd definately ensure that any wars we fought had public support(heaven forbid).  And that veterans benefits were competitive with the private sector (or at least high enough to let vets live reasonably)(heaven forbid again).  

If you aren't willing to fight a war yourself, what gives you the right to tell someone else to?

[kappa]

Originally posted by Dago
Miko only posts stuff that he reads on his Libertarian newsletter.  I doubt he has had an original thought in his life.

Sad things is that some of the people who read this forum actually think he comes up with all that stuff he starts threads with himself.  Naw, just regurgitating his Liberatarian literature.

Rip, in case you haven't noticed, Miko hates everything our country does.


dago

Dago,

accuse him of somthing original would you man!!?!? Thats all you ever say about poor miko... albeit miko admits where he obtains most all his information... dago, clearly you need something new... something fresh!! WORK at it man!! come of with something original would you!!?

[miko2d]

Dago: Miko only posts stuff that he reads on his Libertarian newsletter.  I doubt he has had an original thought in his life.

 So what? After 3000+ years of recorder human inquiry there are not many original thoughts that a person with our intelligence could make.
 I do not claim to have invented libertarianism all by myself. I have intelligence to understand it, compare it with other systems of thoughts, apply it to real-life situations and explain it's premices and implications.

 Most people unfamiliar with the ideas of libertarianism could care less if I am the original creator of the ideas - what they care about is that the idea is original - new - to them.

 How many original thoughts did you have in your life? You are spewing the official party line, what's so original here? You are stuck in accusing me of neing non-original, while sticking you nose into every thread of mine. How original is that?

 Speaking of original, how many original thoughts any of our presidents had? Show me one president with a Nobel Prize or any other accepted acknowlegement of the original thinking.

Rip, in case you haven't noticed, Miko hates everything our country does.

 If you believe that the government and the country are the same thing there is not much one can say that would penetrate your head.


slimm50: Oh, good grief, Miko2D! What kinda world would we have if if every time we saw a threat the military, for example, said something like "OK you pukes, lissinup!

 Americans did not need a government to raise in revolt against british. The founding fathers envisioned, implemented and enshrined in the constitution a defencive force based on voluntary militia.
 As for times the government sees a threat, how else would it justify an agressive war than by a fake threat? It's the oldest trick in the book. Rome has never in its history conducted an offensive war - only defencive ones.


Let's see a show of hands. Anyone not interested can go back to whatever it is you were doing

 So what?  If I do not care to defend against someone, why should I have to? When Canadians invaded in 1812, many people were ready to fight to the death (not many, otherwise they would not have raised the Washington) but some probably did not mind being occupied by canadians.
 Why should such people have been coerced to fight for someone else's goals?


pays my taxes, and if I don't like how the tax dollars are spent, I become more politically active: write letters, vote for candidates who think more like I do, etc.

 What are you talking about? If you are in a minority, your opinion does not matter. Any attempt to circumvent the will of majority would be subverting the principles of democracy.

 miko