Author Topic: H/o (Read 1071 times)

dedalos · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:57:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Jousting is a valid "tactic", if one born of desperation. It just takes much less to get some people desperate than others. For instance, one con diving on you is enough to fluster you to where you don't know what else to do other than joust. That is your particular threshold of desperation. Of course, the other guy is a little bit more pathetic, since apparently just seeing an enemy is enough to through him into a panic.

Desperate I was, lol. I had bombs, rockets, and climing in a 110 only to see a HURR diving. A C47 would have been harder to down that me at that moment. I really don't care how I die (HO or not) Most of the times will be my fault. I just found it funny that the guy was so proud of himself for killing me and the fact that I was the scilless HOer, not him. lol

gofaster · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:04:30 PM »

Sometimes, when a Corsair gets a good head of steam, its hard to get out of the way of any objects coming at it.

Second, if I was in an LA-5, I'd go for the HO, too!

And I embrace HO's in a 190A8, 109G-anything-with-gondolas, Yak9T, Mosquito, and 110. "Come to me, Spitfire Dude! Come to daddy!"

11dano11 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:21:04 PM »

I'll put it a bit less charitably than Toad did, Dead Man. Chute shooting is just low, and mean... there's absolutely no reason for it** and it gains you nothing beyond simply pissing someone off. You've already beaten them, what's the point?

But maybe that's just me. Being an older fart, sportsmanship actually means something to me.

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**There are two situations where I can justify chuting a pilot in a parachute. One is if they've pulled the cord way to soon and are doomed to spend the next 20 minutes admiring the view. I'll occassionally put them out of their misery. The other is an enme parachute slowly descending over our field. No point in letting them radio anything back -- locations of GVs, missions up, goons up, etc -- to their buddies.

Grits · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:22:09 PM »

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On the other hand, if I think I can out turn the enme, I'll begin a reversal - a loop, flat turn, whatever - a split second before the enemy goes by, his guns blazing at empty air. Now I've got the jump on a turn fight because he held his straight course trying to shoot me. If he has more E, so be it.

Yup, this is what I do, but I will also take a very high angle deflection shot too. Most of the time they just bore on straight ahead and give me the chance to gain advantage on the merge, at which point the fight is usually over shortly thereafter.

I say let them whine.

Steve · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:30:33 PM »

Skip, I don't HO. Since I fly the mustang often and it is fragile and has no cannon, HO'ing is a poor option for me. Unfortunately, the majority of people in the arena are happy to go straight for the HO on merge, regardless of the plane they are in. If it's 1v1 and they try this, I know it's a fight I'm going to win unless they go straight to the famous "Ho and go"... running straight away after their failed HO. Someone said it earlier in the thread that it takes 2 to HO. That person is painfully wrong. It takes 2 to merge, only one to attempt to turn it into a HO joust. HO's are very avoidable in the merge. I rarely get hit by them.
BTW, they are not always annoying. Every once in a while, I'll fly through a cloud of bad guys, I'll get a good hoot from all the fools that scramble for the HO. It's sort of like running a HO gauntlet.

myelo · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:43:50 PM »

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Originally posted by 11dano11
Chute shooting is just low, and mean... there's absolutely no reason for it.

You are of course right. Chutes are just cute, innocent pieces of nylon that would never harm anyone and should be protected by the Geneva convention.

That’s why you aim for the little guy hanging from the chute.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2004, 02:15:04 PM »

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Originally posted by 11dano11
I'll put it a bit less charitably than Toad did, Dead Man. Chute shooting is just low, and mean... there's absolutely no reason for it** and it gains you nothing beyond simply pissing someone off. You've already beaten them, what's the point?

I like watching explosions. And I am low and mean and completely unsportsmanlike anyway.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Furious · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2004, 03:40:54 PM »

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Originally posted by 11dano11
... Chute shooting is just low, and mean... there's absolutely no reason for it** and it gains you nothing beyond simply pissing someone off. You've already beaten them, what's the point?...

You have answered your own question.

RaidAW · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2004, 03:57:12 PM »

Alls fair in my opinion.

I do hate HOs though and try to avoid them as much as I can. I mean why risk it when I have a loving wife and all?

oh wait.... wrong topic.

but anyway headons are too much of a gamble for me unless it is a forced issue. I'd rather fight a while and lose fair rather than win or lose by a crap shot. Like I said though, all is fair.

Delirium · « **Reply #24 on:** January 21, 2004, 09:02:10 PM »

I've tried for a long time to refrain from shooting HO but unfortunately most of the server has punished me for that attitude. I still don't fire HO on the initial merge, more for the angles after the merge than anything else.

Here is when I take the HO shot;

1. When I have roped someone- if they are at 100 or less ias and are about to stall out.

2. When its a BnZ enemy that has made multiple HO passes, extending up or out 4k or more. I haven't lost one of these yet, these guys usually aren't any good anyway. Generally, I have fun asking them to learn some other ability as the HO isn't working for them

3. When I'm stuck in a rolling scissor with an enemy.

4.When I am attacking buffs, C47s, or vulching.

I wish HTC could record what aspect angle a fighter was downed at and keep it on the pilot scores.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #25 on:** January 22, 2004, 01:31:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Ah, yes... the headon whine. It's a classic, and it's right up there with a chute shooting whine in my book. The more I know they'll complain about it, the more I feel inclined to take the shot.

-- Todd/Leviathn

The Hate is strong in this one....

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tapakeg · « **Reply #26 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:41:09 AM »

I think it is two different styles of playing the game

1. Combat- If they are red, SHOOT do everything you can to capture / defend a base. Any enemy should be a dead enemy. These people are mission oriented.

2. ACM- Those that enjoy the pure challenge of a fight. Boom and zoom, turn fight....it does not matter. Just identifying your enemy's aircraft's strengths and weaknesses against your own, and in the end the skill of the pilot as well.

Usualy when I am attacking a base I do not HO. But when I am defending, there is a sense of urgency, or desperation in the situatuion. Kill the aggressors!!!

And when 1 meets 2 you get the all too familiar whine on ch. 1

is either wrong?

btw, If you are dumb enough to HO my Hurri 2c then publicly admit that you tried to HO a Hurri................

I love the ram whines. Ok, a HO is one thing, but do you ever think someone plans on ramming someone? HO yes, you have made the decision in your head to pull the trigger. A ram? most of the time people are scissoring for position and end up hitting each other. Then almost in unison the "nice ram xxxxxxx" "no, u rammed me!!" way too funny.

Tapakeg

Zanth · « **Reply #27 on:** January 22, 2004, 10:16:28 AM »

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Originally posted by tapakeg
I love the ram whines. Ok, a HO is one thing, but do you ever think someone plans on ramming someone?

On two occasions I can recall I have rammed people from behind (more of a settling down on their tail actually) when i was out of ammunition. Oddly I think I was able to return to base both times.

BigC316 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 22, 2004, 01:06:26 PM »

It will never end, you will always have someone on Ch.1 complaining about something. Its a never ending cycle that will continue for as long as the game lasts. Most everyone is guilty of doing something like a HO or Chute shooter at some point and time, hell i've been HO'd and i have HO'd, I've had my chute shot and i have shot chutes (for spying mostly). I do think the Ch.1 BS is mostly out of anger in the heat of the moment and givin a few minutes they realize that they themselves are just as guilty. So maybe before engaging in Ch.1 fighting maybe you should count to 10 or in some cases 350...lol.

Do unto others as they do unto you

T1loady · « **Reply #29 on:** January 22, 2004, 02:03:56 PM »

Thanks everyone for you rimput. I feel alot better about what I did. I like to try to fly the game and land my kils. I try not to crash and hop into another plane jump to ager to strat. I always defend my bases at all cost. If I H/O you it is 50% your fault. Thanks again for all the words fella's. Hope to see you in the in the "Skies" soon..

SkipNutz