Author Topic: John Kerry, a bigger scum bag then Dean.. (Read 1914 times)

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:36:16 AM »

Mrlars
Go read some of my past postings, I am not unreasonable. I do not care for Bush and I want to vote for a good man. I do not think Dean or Kerry are good men.

I can respect that Kerry went but when he came back he threw himself in with a bunch of scum and protested. That fine as well, but posing in front of a North Vietnamese flag while giving a speech about the war is wrong in my opinion.

I read the whole speech he made, I read it on a pro Kerry site, and though I have no proof and was not there I think he exaggerated things.

You said

He fought for this country, did some heroic stuff and saved at least one American soldiers life and then wrote books condeming an immoral and unjust war that killed 58K American soldiers....

I am still looking for another account of the heroic stuff, but I do respect that he served. That is a point in his favor.

...what's your problem, would you rather he try to skip out of the war like some current scumbag politicians did?

I do not really like that Bush used the TANG to get out of the war nor do I like Bush as a president, but at this point I think he will do less damage the Dean or Kerry

...or are you the kind who sees decent as an unamerican activity no matter what the cause?

Nice mud slinging. I am a pretty patriotic guy and not blindly so. I have been spending much of my time trying to learn about these guys before I make the call. I would say maybe you the one who is going a bit overboard here.

Get real, Mr. Kerry has served this country a hell of a lot more than 99% of the current administration...is that a bad thing?

No it is not as I have said before. But posing in front of the flag of an enemy while you protest a war the nation is currently fighting is at best extremely low class, and at worst aiding enemies. I have not confirmed that the pic is real or that he REALLY did pose or give a speech in front of that flag, but I did read it in two different places. I am still looking to confirm, and would love to be proven wrong.

, I'm backing the General.

I have some reservations about Clarke as well, but I would prolly vote for him if he gets the nod. I will be reading more about him when I can find sources that are not far left or far right.

Casting disparaging remarks while sitting at home or work safe and cozy takes more balls than actualy fighting for your country...huh?

You are coming of as a dick here( maybe I am being to sensitive), I am not sure if you are trying to be one. What I wanted was a mature and adult conversation about Kerry, if you can’t handle that maybe you should not post. All I am doing is posting my opinion on something this man did. You seem like you are trying to make this personal. I have every right to my opinion, and at least if I am wrong about the flag thing I will admit that I was wrong and change my opinion on the man.

I really hope you are not implying that since I did not fight in Vietnam, or serve my country, I have no right to have an opinion or speak it?

Nakhui · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:41:16 AM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
But posing in front of the flag of an enemy while you protest a war the nation is currently fighting is at best extremely low class, and at worst aiding enemies.

Stop smoking the dope.
It's a Photoshop... hack. DUDE!

MrCoffee · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:43:03 AM »

Many people are against that war till this day. As for as the commy flag and other radical left wing tidbits, its obviously photoshoped. If it were real, this would have come out long ago. Sign of the times in my opinion, half of the nation was on acid. Least he went and served and saw combat. There are no real rambos in war, just bravery and lucky men. Hes still a patriot in my opinion.

As for symbolism on the cover of the book. That all depends on how you interpret the symbolism and what you define as an icon of your own heros or agenda.

kappa · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:45:21 AM »

GTora,

I think he was just trying to relay to you that the photograph you are looking at (which seems to be the biggest part of your dislike for kerry) was/is not real.. It was a photoshop fake of him infront of the N V flag.. Then he asked you why you thought kerry was 2 faced... Pretty sure thats it.. Got lost somewhere.. hehe

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:53:06 AM »

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Originally posted by SOB
I read that he is a space alien with designs on taking over the world. I'm voting against that evil alien bastard!

I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:54:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Nakhui
Stop smoking the dope.
It's a Photoshop... hack. DUDE!

We've established this.

It doesnt change the fact that he gave a speech infront of a Viet flag.

Talk about fantasy land. We've a whole Amellia Bedellia (sp?) thing going on here - youre arguing the irrelevant details instead of focusing on the issue.

The only reason I can come up with is because it doesnt suit your point of view.

Kerry's in some real trouble - he can get the anti-war vote based on his actions during and after Vietnam, but any soldier who did his duty for his country without pride or prejudice will see him in a less favorable light.

Catch 22 with the Dem candidates this year. No candidate has a hope of gaining any right of center votes and it seems ot me that the campaign managers seem to have lost sight of this in their quest to villify Bush.

You can only get along for so long with an anti-everything stance - sooner or later the people will want substance - they will want to know what these candidates are for and "Get Bush out of office" isnt going to cut it after a few more states.

kappa · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:58:44 AM »

Ok... Point of order here..

Did he or did he not give a speech infront of the NV flag after he served his term??

Frogm4n · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:59:26 AM »

What was the context of the VC flag? anyone know? is there any pictures or proof? exactly.

Going out on a limb, but those who served in vietnam would support kerry. Remember a majority of americans were against that bull**** of a war.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:01:29 PM »

Guys
I understand that photo is prolly photoshoped.

I read in other places he did sit in front of a N Vietnamese flag and give an anti war speech. If that is the case then what I say stands.

AGAIN I undstand that photo may be photoshopped, but I have READ, he did give a speach in front of a N Vietnamese, so that photo does not have to be real if he did do it an there is not a photo. Or he did do it and there is a photo, just not THAT photo.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #24 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:05:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
What was the context of the VC flag? anyone know? is there any pictures or proof? exactly.

Going out on a limb, but those who served in vietnam would support kerry. Remember a majority of americans were against that bull**** of a war.

Then why are their already "Vets against Kerry" sites?

I didnt serve in Vietnam, but if I did serve my tour without *****ing and moan - even if I was against it - I wouldnt be too fond of Kerry.

Id assume that the majority of Kerry's support surrounding the Vietnam issue would come from those who never served and those who didnt like their platoon sergeant.

Lets not forget those individuals who fought for their country and werent against the war at all.

Its fine to be against war - but you need a reason besides... well... being against war. In Kerry's case, I get the impression that he is against war because it gets better press.

Tarmac · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:07:01 PM »

HE MADE TEH SPEACH I DONT CARE IF THE PICTURE IS FOTOSHOPED!!!1!!!1

Yet no one has posted a credibile source (come on, you can even give me Fox news here) saying that he gave a speech in front of an NV flag.

You aren't going to convince anybody like that. It's a pretty big hole in the argument, especially when few others on the board have heard of it.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:07:32 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It may be photo shopped, but I read that he DID in fact sit in front of the north Vietnamese flag to give an anti war speech.

I do not really care what you think Froggy. This post was for the more reasonable people on the boards.

Was that before or after he won the Silver Star?

fd ski · « **Reply #27 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:13:41 PM »

Golly-geemit Tarman, what the hell is wrong with you ? Are you a terrorist lover or something ?

I'm telling you that I've heard from some people that Bush gave a speach in front of North Korean flag with his hair colored pink and 10 foot dildo sticking out of his butt. And to top if all off, in his speach he announced his undying love for Hillary Clinton !!! That's proof enough !!!

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:17:01 PM »

man slandering veterans is getting to be a full time job for conservatives funny to think.

hee fedskis post came while i was writing this bush is not a vet anyway.

miko2d · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:23:08 PM »

GtoRA2: He can be a good man and be against the war. Posing and making a speech in the front of the flag of an enemy is going too far.

Even if that flag was not photoshopped in, North Vietnam did not attack United States or even threaten to do so. It was not an enemy.

US became North Vietnam's enemy by launching an unprovoked attack after manufacturing a false Tonkin Gulf incident as a pretext.

Ho Shi Min approached US several times as a friend - asking for US help in establishing democratic Vietnam. All he wanted was for US to use it's influence on France to give independence to it's former colony.

First time it happened in 1918 at the time of Versaille treaty and second time after WWII. In both cases US was more interested in french keepinmg their colonial posessions than in freedom and democracy.
By denying cooperation to pro-independence liberal forces in Vietnam US practically threw it into the embrace of communists - who gained reputation fighing both japanese invaders and french colonialists.

miko