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« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2004, 03:04:59 PM »
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Hmm let's see ... highly decorated war veteran ... has a real political alternative rather than just Dean style Bush-bashing ... experienced politician ...

Yeah, I can see why the Büzhists are afraid of him.


LOL
yeah right, we were afraid of crazy dean too :rofl
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« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2004, 03:10:24 PM »
Dean is the comedy option democrat. Kerry Edward or maybe Clark are the ones that will be Bush's opponent. All much better people.

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« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2004, 03:23:35 PM »
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Dean is the comedy option democrat. Kerry Edward or maybe Clark are the ones that will be Bush's opponent. All much better people.


but he wasn't a week ago - he was the runaway leader for the nomination

clark is a kook like dean, kerry is the only one who will make it out alive but, purple hearts and all, he has many skeletons in his closet to take on this admin. the smart ones will wait until 08
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« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2004, 03:30:49 PM »
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interesting link on the "hero" kerry:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm


It's John Kerry and the all grown up Eddie Monster ?

LMAO ... :aok

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« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2004, 04:33:49 PM »
noone has more skeletons then the bush administration. except maybe clinton. But bush gets away with it because he gets the "awww he is so cute and innocent, there is noway he is smart enough to know what was going on" thing from the media.

his buddy kenny boy lay did more to hurt this country then saddam ever did.


Dean was the media appointed front runner. No moderate democrats actually like the guy.

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« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2004, 06:39:22 PM »
Since I'm getting old and fart alot I'll not try to place your text in quotes, but I will try to respond to some of your questions.

As for your past postings, I've been aware that you're atypical of most posters on this board in that you, in the past, seem to have shown that you have an open mind...that is why I reacted to your subject line...it's a tone that Martlet or Eagler would use...hence my reaction.

You're statment that Mr. Kerry 'threw himself in with a bunch of scum and protested" smacks of the 'new nationalism' that has gripped a lot of those that blindly embrace this administration and their rhetoric of "activism equels treason". Our forefathers must be rolling in their graves because this isn't what a true American should belive....but in this country they have a right to believe what they want....it's a two way road but the some on the Right think it's a one way street.


About who will do less damage to this country than GWB...you're serious about this? I may agree with you about Mr. Dean but to be fair, I've read little about his plan to reverse the damage that GWB has done to us in regards to forign affairs...that is one of the many reasons I'm backing the General. To say that neither JK or HD could do better can't be proven...so it must be just your opinion...I think it's totaly false, but that's just MY opinion.

I'll not question you're patriotism, I know too little of you too form an opinion on that. However, the subject line of this thread sugests that, and this is MY opinion, you are too easy to condem Mr. Kerry's actions that happened regardless of the mitigating circumstances. I lived and fought in those times and belive me, there was a time I wanted to do things completeley contrary to my personal morality...I'm an unbeliever, anybody who belives that there are no Athiests in a foxhole are idiots that are all too easily manipulated.

So, if you took my barbs as mudslinging...sorry 'bout that, like I said, I'm getting old and my fuse must be getting a bit short. As for me sounding like a dick...what can I say but that, as a combat vet I tend to jump on a high horse sometimes...it isn't right but ...mitigating circumstances often times dictate ones actions, right or wrong. My apologies.

Regarding the right to opinion vs service to America...no, I'll never question that right...however I may ask why you never felt the urge to serve your country, but not in a disparaging tone...my generation held service in a much higher regard than later generations...sadly, Vietnam was the turning point.

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Go read some of my past postings, I am not unreasonable. I do not care for Bush and I want to vote for a good man. I do not think Dean or Kerry are good men.


I can respect that Kerry went but when he came back he threw himself in with a bunch of scum and protested. That fine as well, but posing in front of a North Vietnamese flag while giving a speech about the war is wrong in my opinion.

I read the whole speech he made, I read it on a pro Kerry site, and though I have no proof and was not there I think he exaggerated things.

You said

He fought for this country, did some heroic stuff and saved at least one American soldiers life and then wrote books condeming an immoral and unjust war that killed 58K American soldiers....

I am still looking for another account of the heroic stuff, but I do respect that he served. That is a point in his favor.

...what's your problem, would you rather he try to skip out of the war like some current scumbag politicians did?

I do not really like that Bush used the TANG to get out of the war nor do I like Bush as a president, but at this point I think he will do less damage the Dean or Kerry

...or are you the kind who sees decent as an unamerican activity no matter what the cause?

Nice mud slinging. I am a pretty patriotic guy and not blindly so. I have been spending much of my time trying to learn about these guys before I make the call. I would say maybe you the one who is going a bit overboard here.  

Get real, Mr. Kerry has served this country a hell of a lot more than 99% of the current administration...is that a bad thing?

No it is not as I have said before. But posing in front of the flag of an enemy while you protest a war the nation is currently fighting is at best extremely low class, and at worst aiding enemies. I have not confirmed that the pic is real or that he REALLY did pose or give a speech in front of that flag, but I did read it in two different places. I am still looking to confirm, and would love to be proven wrong.


, I'm backing the General.

I have some reservations about Clarke as well, but I would prolly vote for him if he gets the nod. I will be reading more about him when I can find sources that are not far left or far right.

Casting disparaging remarks while sitting at home or work safe and cozy takes more balls than actualy fighting for your country...huh?

 You are coming of as a dick here( maybe I am being to sensitive), I am not sure if you are trying to be one. What I wanted was a mature and adult conversation about Kerry, if you can’t handle that maybe you should not post. All I am doing is posting my opinion on something this man did. You seem like you are trying to make this personal. I have every right to my opinion, and at least if I am wrong about the flag thing I will admit that I was wrong and change my opinion on the man.

I really hope you are not implying that since I did not fight in Vietnam, or serve my country, I have no right to have an opinion or speak it?

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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2004, 10:39:53 AM »
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 Ok your right, the title to the post and some of what I put in it was prolly not my best.  I had not fully thought this all through. I still do not like Kerry, and I have not found proof one way or another if he did give that speech in front of a North Vietnamese flag or not.

I should have worded the whole post a bit better, I really wanted to know what people thought and to see if anyone had heard anything like this. The way I started this thread was counter productive to that.

 Part of my bad reaction on this is my dad was a Vietnam Vet,  He was in the Navy and went over there on the USS America and worked on F4 phantoms.

When he came home he had anti war protestors throw dog **** on him. I grew up hearing about that. I have no problems with anyone protesting anything, I do not like it but I understand it is a very important right in the country.  But protesting a war by abusing the soldiers and sailors that where drafted to go is pretty low class in my opinion. I know how my dad felt about it.
Therein lies my disrespect for the protestors of the 60s, they did not support the troops. Troops for the most part who had no choice.


As for why I never served? Frankly I am ashamed I did not. Believe that if you want I am telling the truth, Every male on my dads side of the Family served, most in the Navy. My granddad was a career NCO and was on the Tennessee on Dec 7 1941.

I did not join because I got a really good job, I was working with a Marine recruiter and had planned on signing up, and a really good job came along. Due to some family problems. (mother is crippled after 12 back surgeries) I decided, I just could not leave the area and the job was the better choice.

I am now to old to join without a waiver, and I am also to out of shape. Hell I prolly would not have made it through boot camp anyway since I have a gimpy shoulder, but I wanted to try.

I am going to go edit my first post, I regret the way I worded it. The thread has not changed my mind much about Kerry, but I will keep reading up on him to see if I am wrong.

We will have to agree to disagree on Dean or Kerry being better then Bush; it is all opinion at this point anyway. I will freely admit, bush is not a great president, I do not think he is satans spawn like some of the wack jobs in this forum, but I do not agree with his spending, or with some of his recent policies, and at this point I think it was prolly a mistake to go into Iraq. I am ashamed sometimes that men are dying and I am sitting comfortable back home... My only wish at this point is that we do not half bellybutton it and betray the people of Iraq.

Thank you for your post Mrlars, though we do not agree on some stuff, I am glad you took the time to reply.
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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2004, 10:56:49 AM »
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When he came home he had anti war protestors throw dog **** on him. I grew up hearing about that. I have no problems with anyone protesting anything, I do not like it but I understand it is a very important right in the country.  But protesting a war by abusing the soldiers and sailors that where drafted to go is pretty low class in my opinion. I know how my dad felt about it.
Therein lies my disrespect for the protestors of the 60s, they did not support the troops. Troops for the most part who had no choice.

These idiots should have received a severe beating.
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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2004, 11:09:35 AM »
Unlikely the dems will even consider a candidate I'd consider. So, let 'em pick one before we roll back the carpet to see what's been swept under.  Shouldn't show yer cards 'till the bettin's done. Never met a cliche I didn't like.
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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2004, 12:48:01 PM »
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 I agree! Hell, it should be a Policy, somethrows dog**** on a Soldier, he gets to stump the guys guts out!!

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Interesting read
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2004, 01:29:50 PM »
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2003/05-05-2003/vo19no09_kerry.htm

Kerry Postures as a War Hero
by John F. McManus

As a presidential hopeful, Senator John Kerry touts his military experience. But 30 years ago he led anti-war protests and marched alongside revolutionary Communists.
 
Senator John Kerry wants to be president. His membership in the Council on Foreign Relations guarantees that the world government crowd will accept him. He can tap into his wife’s millions to overcome any fundraising shortfall. And his connection to Yale’s eerily secretive Skull & Bones Society opens doors to many of its movers and shakers — though veteran Bones critic Ron Rosenbaum notes the possibility of a "Bones versus Bones smackdown" should Bonesmen Bush and Kerry face off in 2004.

Kerry does not want the voting public made aware of his CFR and Bones credentials. Nor does he want to be likened to Ted Kennedy and Michael Dukakis, Massachusetts archliberals out of step with the nation at large. So when he presents himself to voters, he or his handlers insist that he is a foreign policy expert who benefits from past military service.

After an appearance at a New Hampshire campaign stop on April 2nd, an exceptional need for Kerry to trot out his military service occurred. He told a small group of future primary voters that "regime change" was needed not just in Iraq but "in the United States." Reacting to Kerry’s statement, Republicans pounced on him like wolves on a wounded lamb, claiming that by using the term "regime" he had likened the Bush administration to Saddam Hussein’s tyranny. So the senator and his aides played their military card. "I don’t need any lessons in patriotism or in caring about America from the likes of the right wing," Kerry told a Georgia audience. And he speedily supplied each of his campaign spokesmen with a statement that said in part: "Unlike many of his Republican critics, Senator Kerry has worn the uniform, served his country, seen combat, so he’d just as soon skip their lectures about supporting our troops."

Kerry did serve as an officer in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War. And he did win a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. So far, so good. But when he returned home, he became a war protester. In America, of course, everybody is free to agree or disagree with a government policy. But Kerry did not just disagree; he became a leader of groups that championed our nation’s foes while our forces were still fighting and dying.

In 1971, the Communist Daily World delightedly published photos of him speaking to demonstrators as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). The April 23, 1971 Daily World boasted that the marchers displayed a banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, who was on record stating: "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of government and your society."

By frequently participating in VVAW’s demonstrations, Kerry found himself marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as "revolutionary Communists." While noting that known Reds had openly organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the presence of an "abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government."

Seeking election to the U.S. House in 1972, Kerry found it necessary to suppress reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima. Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on its cover: "These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for."

During the 1972 "Kerry for Congress" campaign, flyers invited voters to "hear Ramsey Clark, former Attorney General, who has just recently returned from a visit in North Vietnam." While in Hanoi, Clark had distinguished himself by roundly condemning the United States, heaping praise on his Communist hosts, and lecturing American prisoners of war.

In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had defiantly given his medals back to the U.S. government during one of his many protests. New York Times columnist Bill Keller wrote in September 2002 that the senator invited him to view 40 minutes of films Kerry made depicting his war exploits. Keller wrote that anti-war doves would still support the man they remembered for "throwing his war ribbons onto the steps of the Capitol." When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his Senate office. Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that Kerry’s actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public, Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago. Come to think of it, if he continues to posture as a war hero, he’ll lose the friendship of Ramsey Clark, Angela Davis, and the Daily World.

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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2004, 03:29:59 PM »
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 Interesting read, and it does not paint a pretty picture.


 Has anyone else ever heard that a bunch of the vets in the vets against the war where really not vets? I heard that somewhere. Is it true?

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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2004, 03:37:55 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3581838982&category=29346

the guy voted FOR the Iraq war, just another 20/20 hindsight expert.. now and then...
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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2004, 04:30:25 PM »
every group has its ****ing morons, the far right and the far left. Those who through **** on your father were not the vets against the war. just morons.
Im wondering how long it will take before bush trys to get the draft going again after he is reelected.