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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2004, 06:48:04 PM »
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Pick whoever your #1 QB is...Brady...Manning...whoeve r...ask them to win with that line and those Eagles receivers. Nevermind superbowl you wouldn't have seen the playoffs.



Bull.  Mcnabb is good, but he is not great.  No questioning his toughness though.

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2004, 09:33:35 PM »
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McNabb isn't overrated, Andy Reid is. 5-6 years as coach and the #1 receiver is James Thrash? Would Montana have been anything without Taylor, Rice, Craig and Clark?


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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2004, 09:37:20 PM »
McNabb was standing in the pocket for 5 to 7 seconds before getting hit.  

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2004, 09:39:21 PM »
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McNabb was standing in the pocket for 5 to 7 seconds before getting hit.  

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Exactly, you cannot win at that level with receivers who struggle to get any sort of seperation.

Manning looked poor and his first three options are Harrison, Wayne and Stokely. Playoff defenses are just too good for any QB to survive in a West Coast offense with the Eagles level of mediocrity at WR.
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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2004, 06:35:45 AM »
I don't know.  Had they not believed the hype and ran Staley 35 times they may well have won that game.

McNair seems to be able to create a passing game out of a weak bunch recievers.  Who are Bradey's all world recievers?  Culpepper has Moss, but 300+ of his receptions had to go somewhere else.  Hell even Brad Johnson finds more open recievers, and not only does he suck, their recievers are so bad that KJ was their go-to guy.

That powerhouse offense that just ran over Philly with it's whopping 100 yards of passing last weekend?  Yes, even Jake found more open recievers.

Yes, if you put him next to a bunch of people off the street, McNabb is an extraordinary talent.  If, on the other hand, you put him next to a bunch of NFL quarterbacks, well, then you can read extraordinary quite literally.

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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2004, 08:39:28 AM »
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I don't know.  Had they not believed the hype and ran Staley 35 times they may well have won that game.


Against the best front 4 in football? That's a tough sell, but I think a few draws could have kept the defense honest.

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McNair seems to be able to create a passing game out of a weak bunch recievers.


Actually, the Titans have 3 real good receivers. Mason, Macariens, and 1st rounder Calico are top notch. Mac and calico are 6-4 and tough to defend, I don't need to say how good Mason is. You are underestimating their receivers, they are a good group.

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Who are Bradey's all world recievers?


First of all let's finally give Tom Brady some credit, he is the master of the short passing game. He is very accurate 5- 15 yards downfield. But the Patriots do not put alot of weight on his shoulders, and they don't put him in bad situations. Most of his passes are dink and dunk, high percentage passes. Actually, Troy Brown, Deon Branch, David Givens, and rookie Bethel Johnson are sure handed and can make people miss after the catch, which fits perfectly into the Patriots offensive philosophy and Tom Brady's strength. I think their success comes alot from their coaches and game plan.  

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Culpepper has Moss, but 300+ of his receptions had to go somewhere else.


I like Culpepper, I think he has alot of talent(shoot, the whole viking offense is great), however, he makes bad decisions at the worst times. How many times has he fumbled or threw a pick in at a crucial moment? It's like a running back who fumbles alot, what good is an 80 yard run if you fumble at the end of it? Culpepper is the better talent, imo, but he needs to learn to manage the game better by protecting the ball and making better decisions.

 
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Hell even Brad Johnson finds more open recievers, and not only does he suck, their recievers are so bad that KJ was their go-to guy.


If you ask Gruden if he had a choice between Mcnabb and Johnson, the answer might surprise you.

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That powerhouse offense that just ran over Philly with it's whopping 100 yards of passing last weekend?  Yes, even Jake found more open recievers.


I'm not sure I understand this one, but Philly was awful against the run and Carolina has one of the best running attacks in the NFL. When a team runs on you like that, you have to bring your safeties up and gamble. Can you say play action?

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Yes, if you put him next to a bunch of people off the street, McNabb is an extraordinary talent.  If, on the other hand, you put him next to a bunch of NFL quarterbacks, well, then you can read extraordinary quite literally.


Mcnabb is an NFL QB, not a great one, but a good one. He will be a QB in this league long after Tommy Maddox and Rob Johnson are walking the street.
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2004, 01:37:37 PM »
Duce averaged nearly 7 yards a carry in those two games without Westbrook, and before he was hurt Westbrook carried them down the stretch.

They have been able to run all season, they just rarely did it.

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2004, 02:06:30 PM »
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Mcnabb is good, but he is not great.


Mcnabb PWNS joo all.

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2004, 08:44:10 PM »
hmm I'm not sure where you're going bringing the Pats and Titans WR Corps into this...Mason v Thrash? Troy Brown v Pinkston?

Thrash and Pinkston are the Eagles 1 and 2...I can't see either even making the team for Tennessee or New England. Freddie Mitchell has the biggest upside but both slot backs, especially Branch, are better.

I'm not saying McNabb is #1, but particularly in the NFC there are few other QBs a GM would want to build around. Who currently has bigger upside? Vick yes...Hasselbeck probably...but have to wait till the kid can win division and/or playoff game.

But honestly who else? Favre managed to lose to him up 14-0 with the best rushing attack in the playoffs. Garcia will be lucky to keep his job next year....Collins? Talk about underachieving. Bulger exposed...Delhomme has never had a defense scheme for him yet so we'll see.
Culpepper, Q.Carter, A.Brooks...all have a poorer feel for the game.

The AFC is deeper at QB...but they're deeper everywhere right now. Bottom line: calling McNabb a dog is letting the Eagles organization off the hook, he is plenty good enough to get a SuperBowl but better personnel decisions need to be made. Not even Bill Walsh was arrogant enough to think you can scheme away WR athletic deficiency in a west coast offense.
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