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Offline Thrawn

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« on: January 22, 2004, 05:38:53 PM »
"Raid brings widespread condemnation
 
Mike Blanchfield  
CanWest News Service

Wednesday, January 21, 2004
 
 
OTTAWA - A Liberal senator has joined the chorus of opposition critics who have denounced RCMP raids on the home and office of an Ottawa Citizen reporter and compared them to the police-state actions of the former Soviet Union.

“Juliet O’Neill is a solid journalist who was simply trying to shed more light on a complex story,” Senator Jim Munson, a former television broadcaster and chief spokesman for former prime minister Jean Chretien, said Wednesday.

“I am very concerned that the rights of journalists may be trampled.”

Munson, who worked as a television journalist for more than 25 years, was appointed to the Senate last month shortly before Chretien stepped down.

Chretien’s successor was as surprised as anyone at the RCMP raids, according to a spokesman, but Prime Minister Paul Martin did not add his voice to the widespread condemnation of the police investigation into leaks in the Maher Arar case.

"A lot of people seem to think this is the beginning of something wider to intimidate journalists and all that. I can tell you that that is certainly not the intention or the desire in any way, shape or form of the prime minister," Mario Lague, Martin's chief spokesman, said Wednesday.

Martin was on his way to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and unavailable for comment Wednesday. Lague said the Prime Minister's Office found out about the raids through media reports.

Martin's aides moved swiftly to distance the prime minister from any suggestion that he was connected to the raids, which have sparked outrage among opposition politicians and lawyers.

Martin has said he wants to get to the bottom of a series of leaks in the case of Arar, the Syrian-born Canadian who was deported by U.S. authorities to his native country because they suspected he was an al-Qaida terrorist. Arar, who was tortured in Syria, strongly denies the allegations and has launched a lawsuit against the U.S. government to clear his name.

Opposition critics condemned the raids in response to a November story O’Neill wrote on what the federal government knew about Arar and his deportation.

O’Neill, who witnessed the collapse of the Soviet Union as a foreign correspondent in Moscow in 1989, was subjected to the same sort of heavy-handed police-state tactics that marked decades of Communist rule, critics charged.

“It doesn’t seem like the Canada my dad fought for,” said Grant Hill, the acting leader of the official Opposition.

“It seems a little bit like another northern country that not so long ago had a police state. We’re talking about the U.S.S.R. That’s the sort of thing I would expect from a police state.”

Stephen Harper, the former opposition leader now running for the Conservative Party leadership, condemned the raids as dangerous and disturbing.

“I think this whole incident is disturbing. I think this whole desire to suppress information, rather than have a public inquiry and get to the bottom of it, is dangerous,” said Harper.

New Democratic Party Leader Jack Layton said he had no doubt the raids were intended to send a chill through the journalistic community.

“It’s an abomination, the ultimate transgression,” Layton said. “It’s like something out of Kafka.

“This puts a chill on political discussion. It’s outrageous, appalling, a body blow to democracy. It’s nothing more than the politics of fear.”

Former Progressive Conservative leader Peter MacKay said he had serious questions about the tactics used by the RCMP.

“The RCMP’s tactics seem excessive in light of the facts as currently known. I would suggest a different approach would have been sufficient and less intimidating,” said MacKay, who is also a former Crown prosecutor.

Liberal MP John Bryden, a former journalist, acknowledged that the RCMP have a duty to protect classified information, but said the use of search warrants to forcibly track down documents should only be used when public safety is at risk.

"I'm very uncomfortable when any journalist is raided for documents," said Bryden, arguing that journalists and MPs often have similar roles searching for information about the government or police and security service activities.

NDP MP Svend Robinson said the police raid underscores the need for an inquiry into the role of the RCMP in Arar's deportation.

"This appears to be an attempt to silence and muzzle the journalists that are asking questions that reinforce the need for an independent public inquiry," said Robinson. "Journalists are digging at information that could be embarrassing to the RCMP. It's potentially a pretty serious abuse of police power if it's an attempt to muzzle and silence them."

Liberal MP Derek Lee, however, chair of the Commons sub-committee on national security in the last session of Parliament, said journalists have no unique privileges under the law.

"While we all have a special place in our heart for journalists, there actually is no special protection for journalists when it comes to dealing with classified information," he said, adding the Mounties were likely searching O'Neill's home and office in an attempt to identify the person who leaked the information.

"If they have a warrant, they have convinced a judge that there has been an offence committed and that there is a chain of evidence and someone is responsible, so they could get a search warrant to follow that stuff through," said Lee, also a lawyer.

(Ottawa Citizen with files from Mark Kennedy in Zurich and Tim Naumetz in Ottawa.)"

http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=1EC02A65-411A-48A8-9EDD-D648B1A299F3


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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2004, 06:20:37 PM »
it doesnt say why the raids happened...

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2004, 07:03:53 PM »
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Originally posted by vorticon
it doesnt say why the raids happened...



She wrote an article that apparently had classified information in.  The RCMP want to know who her source is.

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2004, 08:02:58 PM »
classified info is classified info...just cause your a journalist doesnt mean you can print it...and how are they "supposed" to find that sort of info out...ask her nicely:lol

didnt say they had a search warrant...that could be the problem (any really relevant info such as WHY and the search warrent issue seems to be lost in a sea of comparing it to the USSR...luckily the CBC still tries to make that sort of info available)

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2004, 09:34:02 AM »
This is a raid!  Against the wall and spread'em!



Oh, wait a minute.  This is a Canadian case.  Ok, then, this calls for a different law enforcement officer.


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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2004, 10:04:20 AM »
GoFaster..are you trying to get this girl in every post now.  :)

Thrawn...nothing new in the whole police state thing.  About two or three years ago the RCMP clandestinley raided a financial service provider in the Turks and Caicos Islands.  They flew in, dressed up in dark clothes and simply broke into the offices.  They copied documents and hard-drives and then took them back to Canada.

We even suspected they raided our offices and as a result spent alot of money on a new fancy alarm system.

Beware of Canada.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2004, 10:09:07 AM »
Oh wait... I get it... It is a "police state" when the government attacks liberals but when they attack the rights of say... gun owners or say bigots... then it is time for the government to step in and do something?

can't have it both ways... big govenment tramples everyones freedom... not just the freedoms that you don't care about or are jealous about.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2004, 11:45:20 AM »
Wow,so for once we can bash Canada now?  With the hel pof Canadians?  Rawk on!

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2004, 11:47:09 AM »
Is that another of Mr Black's girlfriends?

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2004, 11:50:29 AM »
Curval
 There was not one soldier of any kind to repell the cunucks? Even a cook?

:)

If that is true it is HELLA funny, but not in a good way..,

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2004, 11:56:13 AM »
From what I understand of Martin, things are only gonna get worse. North America is just going to continue this slide towards total governmental control over our lives.
 Any freedoms or rights we have are just an illusion, because they can be revoked, or denied, at the whim of any government in power.
 If the governments took all our rights away at once they would have hell to pay, but by doing it ever so slowly we just ben dover and ask for more vaseline.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2004, 12:02:19 PM »


Isnt it time for Quebec to claim souvernity yet again?

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2004, 12:03:12 PM »
heheh.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2004, 12:06:48 PM »
Ping From what I understand of Martin, things are only gonna get worse

 Nothing to do with Martin or any single individual. Nothing would change if the prevailing opposition took power.

 It's just a general trend caused by shift in public worldview about the role of the state - which has been going on for 150 years.

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2004, 12:18:41 PM »
If you will look at other posts I have made about Politicians, you will see that I hold none of the others in any better regard.
 It seems to be that we hope for one of lesser corruption to take office.
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