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Offline MrLars

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« on: January 22, 2004, 07:35:02 PM »
If interested, here's what your tax burden will be under a Clark admimistration.

http://www.clark04.com/taxcalculator/

It has been said here that it was your money and tax relief was welcome, under Clarks plan most of you who have kids and an income less than 50K you will have to pay little or no taxes...I'm childless, but I think that, for the American families, this is a very good thing.

Try the calculator...see for yourself.

WES CLARK'S PLEDGE TO OPEN GOVERNMENT

Under President Bush, government has been of special interests, by special interests, and for special interests. President Bush has shut the people out of government, creating one of the most secretive Presidencies in history. As President, Wes Clark would reverse the Bush secrecy policy, and restore a government where the public's right to know comes before the President's right to keep politically inconvenient secrets. Specifically, Wes Clark will take two major steps to create the most open, transparent administration in American history:
Reverse the Bush Secrecy Policies
Establish a Clark Openness Doctrine
REVERSE THE BUSH SECRECY POLICIES


Reverse Bush's November 2001 Rollback of FOIA. In October 2001, President Bush signed a new Executive Order, rolling back the availability of public information under the Freedom of Information Act - a 30-year old law that protects the public's right to know. President Clark would sign an Executive Order on the first day of his Presidency reversing the Bush order, and restoring the public's right to know. In addition, Wes Clark would instruct his Attorney General to overturn Ashcroft's directive restricting responses to FOIA requests and return to a foreseeable harm standard for FOIA exemptions.

End the Energy Task Force Stonewall - Immediately. President Bush continues to withhold records of the Cheney Energy Task Force from the Congress and the public - and is spending unknown sums of taxpayer dollars defending this stonewall in federal court, up to the Supreme Court. On President Clark's first day in office, he will direct the Justice Department to drop its legal objections, and will have the records of the Cheney Task Force released publicly.

End the 9/11 Stonewall - Immediately. Clark would extend the life of the September 11th Investigative Commission until its work was complete - ending the arbitrary cut off that now exists, and is allowing the administration to "run out the clock" on the Commission. Also on Clark's first day in the White House, he'd sign a new Presidential Memorandum directing the National Security Council, the NSA, the CIA, the State Department, and the Defense Department to turn over all relevant records on September 11th to the Commission, to make sure that the American people know the truth about what happened that day - and what could have been done to prevent that tragedy.

Undo Bush's March 2003 Classification Extension. Wes Clark would reverse the Executive Order signed by George Bush in March 2003 that extended the length of time that classified documents are withheld from the public. In addition, President Bush has increased the number of agencies that can classify documents. Wes Clark would replace these Bush rules with an approach that balances national security and the public's right to know in a more appropriate way.

End the Bush Family "Secrecy is Forever" Doctrine. President Clark would also reverse President Bush's November 2001 interpretation of the Presidential Records Act, which allowed the President's father to maintain the secrecy of his Presidential records well beyond the 12 year period established by law. If the records of Presidents Nixon, Carter, and Reagan could be released after 12 years, why should the Bush family records be any different?
ESTABLISH A CLARK OPENNESS DOCTRINE


Restrict the Assertion of Executive Privilege. No President since Richard Nixon has been more aggressive in using Executive Privilege to withhold documents from the public and the Congress. As President, Wes Clark would create a new panel of three, nonpartisan, highly distinguished, independent experts to review all proposed assertions of Executive Privilege, and report to the President. Only if this independent panel supported the assertion of would President Clark allow it to go forward.

Keep Public Documents on the Internet Forever. As President, Wes Clark would require that all government documents posted on the Internet would stay there - unlike the Bush Administration which has removed rewritten history by removing politically inconvenient reports from the Internet.

No More Secret Task Forces. Wes Clark will disclose all meetings that corporate representatives and special interests have with public officials when preparing regulations or policy positions. A Clark Administration will commit to a policy that prohibits secret meetings with special interests.

Commit To Regular Press Conferences - at least Once a Month - and Town Hall Meetings. President Bush has hidden from the press, avoiding regular press conferences. As President, Wes Clark would be committed to holding at least one major press conference per month - along with regular town hall meetings.

Establish a National Declassification Center (NDC). Following the recommendations of the 1997 Moynihan Commission, Clark would create an NDC that would centralize coordination of declassification across the Government, streamlining the process of releasing information.

Require Federal Lobbyists to Disclose More Information In a More Timely Manner. Currently lobbyists only have to file disclosure forms every six months. Wes Clark would require monthly disclosure forms - and would require greater information including who the lobbyist met with, what they were lobbying on behalf of, and how much money was spent.

My note....above all things, IMO, GWB's administrations secrecy is the most frightening of all their faults. An open government is necessary to have a government of, by and for the people.
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Re: Gov. Secrecy...What Gen. Clark Will Do
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2004, 07:52:42 PM »
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Originally posted by MrLars
If interested, here's what your tax burden will be under a Clark admimistration.

http://www.clark04.com/taxcalculator/

It has been said here that it was your money and tax relief was welcome, under Clarks plan most of you who have kids and an income less than 50K you will have to pay little or no taxes...I'm childless, but I think that, for the American families, this is a very good thing.

Try the calculator...see for yourself.

 

Most people in that catagory pay VERY LITTLE taxes as it is:  here's what it spit out for me:

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Your family will pay
NO Federal
Income Taxes!
A Savings of $69

Based On:
Income: $25000
Marital Status: married
Number of children: 2



Under the BUSH plan I had an average savings of $489 acording to HRblock.com


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Wes Clark's Families First Tax Reform is a major tax simplification proposal that will restore progressivity to the tax code, relieve the working-family squeeze and reduce poverty.

Under Wes Clark's Families First Tax Reform, a family of four making up to $50,000 would pay no federal income taxes, and all taxpaying families with children making up to $100,000 would get a tax cut.



AGAIN MOST PEOPLE IN THIS CATAGORY PAY NO TO VERY LITTLE TAXES AS IT IS!!!!

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posted by sabre in http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106573
According to the IRS, the top 50% of wage earners in this country pay 94% of the federal taxes. That means that the bottom 50% pays just FOUR percent. Sounds as if the rich are already paying more than their fair share.


This is more accurate than you might think.  The POOR HARD WORKING familys got a huge boost from Pres. Bush by an increase in the tax child credit allready.  I'm in that group and I virtually PAY NO TAXES AS IT IS!


I really dont think wes clark is the man for the job.  I never knew him as a general but from what I've read about him I am not impressed.  

Most people polled recently said the economy next to national security is the most important factors that will influence their votes and I dont see how declassifying a bunch of material will change either of those.

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End the Bush Family "Secrecy is Forever" Doctrine. President Clark would also reverse President Bush's November 2001 interpretation of the Presidential Records Act, which allowed the President's father to maintain the secrecy of his Presidential records well beyond the 12 year period established by law. If the records of Presidents Nixon, Carter, and Reagan could be released after 12 years, why should the Bush family records be any different?


in all fairness he did this for Clinton as well.  He sealed records relating to when clinton pardoned criminals for campaign contributions at the end of his tour in office.

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2004, 07:58:47 PM »
Why should the tax code encourage the production of babies?

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2004, 07:59:23 PM »
Clark seems like a good idea...

Yaerrrhhh!

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2004, 08:00:16 PM »
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Why should the tax code encourage the production of babies?


Because it sucks to have a declning birth rate and shrinking population.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2004, 08:02:39 PM »
Shouldn't people who produce children pay more, because their children recieve public benefits like education (and health care and other benefits in some cases)?  

People who don't have children are actually consuming less public resources - why should they be punished by higher taxes?

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2004, 08:07:34 PM »
The tax thing reminds me of that plan Armey had a few years ago. I'm all for looking at something new. The current structure isn't fair, IMHO.

As for the rest of it... Clark's position on government secrecy is awesome.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2004, 08:10:39 PM »
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Shouldn't people who produce children pay more, because their children recieve public benefits like education (and health care and other benefits in some cases)?  

People who don't have children are actually consuming less public resources - why should they be punished by higher taxes?


People are not only producing children, they are producing more tax payers. Ultimately the government will benefit by having a larger tax base. If you're not making babies, you're a burden. :)
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2004, 08:24:10 PM »
its part of democracy, most people have children so they vote themselves cash. conservatives welfare.

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2004, 08:25:44 PM »
Taxes are going to be paid by someone. If you think taxing the hell out of the corporations will make them want to stay in America, think again. That is after all what you're asking for when you demand a free ride for those under a certain level of income.

Clark's plan is built on the precept that there is a money pit out there ready to fund it. That pit has wheels and will leave.

I received a tax rebate- twice- and I would gladly give it back to pay down the deficit IF both parties would keep their hands off of it and do exactly that. But that isn't going to happen, is it? Free health care? No taxes? Breads and circuses friends, breads and circuses...

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2004, 08:27:30 PM »
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its part of democracy, most people have children so they vote themselves cash. conservatives welfare.


Dude, you are the fellow that once told me I made too much money, more than I deserved, and the government was right to take it from me. Don't even talk about "welfare".

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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2004, 11:32:16 PM »
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Clark seems like a good idea...

Yaerrrhhh!


I don't know why, but seeing "Yaerrrhhh!" typed out has me laughing my arse off.  :)

Clark is the lesser of 6 evils (that how many we're down to now, counting Bush?).  At least he's not a career scumbag - it'll take him years to reach the scum level of any of the other choices.  

His tax scheme, like Kieran said - bread and circuses.

Flat tax.

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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2004, 11:42:42 PM »
Flat tax, complemented by national sales tax that exempts things like food and medicine.

Or, just divide up the total federal budget each year, divide by the number of registered voters for that year and send them all a bill.

;)

That'd make for some warm receptions when the Congressmen went home to "talk to the people".
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2004, 11:43:13 PM »
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I don't know why, but seeing "Yaerrrhhh!" typed out has me laughing my arse off.  :)

Clark is the lesser of 6 evils (that how many we're down to now, counting Bush?).  At least he's not a career scumbag - it'll take him years to reach the scum level of any of the other choices.  

His tax scheme, like Kieran said - bread and circuses.

Flat tax.


"Yaerhhhh!" Its classic Americana already, history in the prsent! :)

Not to mention on e of the more bizzare real life things I have even seen on TV... :)

But back on topic.

The things I have read about Clark lead me to belive that he is especially political even for a general. Further he is no political novice and hardly much of an outsider to washignton - if that really means anything anymore. :) If nothing else his cynical and opportunistic adoption of the Democratic party only months after glowingly praising Bush, Cheney et all at Republican fundraisers should make one doubt his sincerity and honesty.

So:

Dean is nutz.

I kinda like Edwards but that mostly because i know nothing of him <---- makes politicians rather likeable.

Lieberman I like from his adult debates with Cheney in 2000, caomare that to the grade school debates of Bush and Gore. Unfortunately he cant win.

Kerry - liked him till I read of his post vietnam behavior and really extreme left voting record. Indefintie shifting stance on iraq war is annoying but not yoo crucial.

Clark - He is a republican running for democratic presidential nominantion - basically not honest, in addition to other standard politicians lies.

Bush - I'm used to him by now....


Thats why i dont vote. :)
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2004, 12:04:30 AM »
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Flat tax, complemented by national sales tax that exempts things like food and medicine.

Or, just divide up the total federal budget each year, divide by the number of registered voters for that year and send them all a bill.

;)

That'd make for some warm receptions when the Congressmen went home to "talk to the people".


Toad for president :)
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