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Offline -ammo-

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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2000, 06:14:00 AM »
well, I flew that beast last night for several sorties, it really doiesnt "need" cannons. What a sweet handling AC.

but, im am no gun control proponent either

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2000, 09:45:00 AM »
Ram,

Check it out, Duuuuuuuuuuude!

I DID give my opinion on the topic, without the BAD ATTITUDE you ALWAYS bring, toothache or not. So here's a tissue, dry your eyes.  

BTW, your second post sounds even more like the RAM that has made himself infamous on these boards.    

Jekyll:

Are you hijacking this topic to Luftland?  

Did I say ANYTHING about FW 190 cowl guns? Is this a topic about FW 190 cowl guns? Do you want my opinion on FW 190 cowl guns?

Well, too bad, 'cause here it is:    

If I were King, I'd allow deletion of the cowl guns. If it was done during the war as a field mod, I have no problem with it.

There were lots of field mods. My father's B-25 Wing tried a few aircraft with 12 .30 cal machine guns racked in the bombbays at a 45 degree angle for flak supression. Didn't work out the way they thought, so they changed them back. But, I'd even allow that here....

The problem is Jekyll...this is an F6f 20mm topic!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.    

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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2000, 09:58:00 AM »
dangit I just want the cannon version of the Ju-88 =) =) =)

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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2000, 10:15:00 AM »
Which one?

Ju 88A-14: 1x20mm
Ju 88C-6: 3x20mm
Ju 88H-2: 6x20mm!

Maybe you want bigger guns?

Ju 88P-1: 1x75mm
Ju 88P-2: 2x37mm
Ju 88P-4: 1x50mm

 

Oh yeah, and that P1Y1 with 10 forward-firing 20mm would be nice too...

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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2000, 10:28:00 AM »
The cannon Hellcat was a loadout for the Hellcat.  It should be allowed.   If all the mg's worked as they should it would not be that popular anyway but... Since they don't, let's allow any armement that was made.   As far as removing cowl guns.... The Corsair had 2 outer MG's removed in some island based planes as well as the very common removal of the tail hook and some other carrier gear.   I don't know if I want the planes to be able to have equipment removed tho... Hellcats with 2 cannon and two mg's would also be lighter.   Some Goodyear -1's had no folding wings or tailhooks and were probly close to half a ton lighter.

Point is... lots of field mods were done on all planes but certainly, we should be able to have any STANDARD, factory installed guns or equipment package/loadout.
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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2000, 10:28:00 AM »
They made a P1Y1 Frances with 10 20mm cannons???  Where did you get that from?

Please share  

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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2000, 10:30:00 AM »
U want all the LW loadout options too lazs? Whats that? No? I didnt think u would.
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2000, 10:33:00 AM »
grun... sure, give them the loadouts that were factory installed loadouts.  I got no problem wityh that.   If it's a field mod then allow me to run 65 lbs of manifold as was a common Corsair "feild" mod as well as carrier gear removal.


Oh, the removal of two 13mm cowl guns will lighten up a 190 350lbs and make it climb 4500fpm?   Wow.... The goodyear Corsair musta climbed at least 5,000 fpm.
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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2000, 11:12:00 AM »
Hehe I was waitin for this one!   The door is pretty much wide open with the 4-cannon Niki and the 4-cannon Hog; i.e. Aces High is NOT about limiting the plane set to only "historically-significant" aircraft, is it?

It will be interesting to watch the same guys who rationalize why the cannon-Cat should NOT be included, then go on to explain just why the Ta-152 and Dora and 4-cannon Ki-84 SHOULD be included, won't it?  

And let's not even talk about the 150 4-cannon Mustangs and the various 4-cannon Spitfires that saw combat, shall we?
Either model ONLY the "most representative" armament suite for each marque, or model ALL the loadouts, let the players choose, and get over it  

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Offline RAM

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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2000, 11:16:00 AM »
Toad...I wont waste my (Now painless     ) time with you

   
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Originally posted by lazs:

Oh, the removal of two 13mm cowl guns will lighten up a 190 350lbs and make it climb 4500fpm?   Wow.... The goodyear Corsair musta climbed at least 5,000 fpm.
lazs


The removal of the 7.9mm MGs plus the ammo on the Fw190A5 will make a plane that climbs 4000fpm at SL climb more than 4500 fpm. It happened on 1.03, we had the 190G3 model here (a 190A5 without cowl MGs) and the whines were so loud that they were heard on Beijing.

About your 2x20mm on the Hellcat that "should be allowed" regardless the numbers, and your 65 Manifold for the Corsair, regardless the numbers, and the fact that it was a field conversion...I want:

  • MW50 for BOTH the Fw190A8 and Fw190A5. They had provision for it,right?...so I have the right to ask for it and for the 400hp boost it means.
  • Cowl gun removal available on BOTH A5 and A8.
  • I want ETC racks on the wings of my 190A5 to carry four 50kg or two 250kg bombs, making the 190 A/G load of 1000Kg (500Kg+2x250Kg)-------->Fw190A5/U3.
  • I want the long range Jabo Fw190A5/U8 (ETC250 rack and wing drop tanks)
  • I want the Fw190A5/U9...with four Mauser MG151/20.
  • I want The Fw190A5/U11...with two Mauser MG151/20 and two MK103 cannons.
  • I want the Fw190A5/U12...with six MG151/20 cannons.
  • I want the Fw190A5/U14...with a LT F5b Torpedo    

  • I want the Fw190A5/U16...with two Mauser MG151/20 and two MK108 cannons.
  • I want the Fw190A8/R3 ...with two Mauser MG151/20 and two Mk103 cannons
  • I want the Fw190A8/R7... with heavy frontal armour
  • I want the A-8/R11...with the turbosupercharged BMW801TS for increased altitude perfornamce
  • I want the Fw190A8/R12...with BMW801TS, Two MG151/20 and two MK108 guns
  • I WANT THE X-4 AIR TO AIR MISSILE

more or less half this list was only experimental, but they were USED and TESTED in combat...and as the Fw190A could receive all those modifications I WANT ALL OF THEM!

The Jabo configurations were widely used and we lack them here in Aces High.

So, you get your 20mm for the hellcat and your 65Manifold for the Corsair... And I get ALL those modifications available...wanna trade, Mr Lazs?

In a Mw50 Fw190A5 with four Mauser MG151/20s, no cowl MGs, and wing drop tanks...I will beat the hell out of any blue bird    



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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2000, 11:31:00 AM »
Well, it sure doesn't take long for some to find something they don't like about the latest effort to improve our sim.

Open your eyes and realize how ridiculous it is to critcize HTC's effort the very day a new version is released.

Why ask where the cannon Hellcat is when you should know the answer when you ask the question....they didn't include it in 1.05!
They didn't indicate in any news posts that they would include it.

I'm sorry...it must just be me...I'm delighted that we are part of a sim which has outgrown all others in the market within it's first two years in business. It just doesn't cross my mind to find something wrong with something that is as good as this is. It's not perfect, or totally realistic, it is what it is...if ya don't like it just go somewhere else....please.

Of course, here comes the crap in a wrapper about how unreasonable I am and how it's a valid opinion, blah blah.

Is it half empty or half full?

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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2000, 11:44:00 AM »
My glass is presently overflowing.  

The Cragganmore is running over the top, spilling down the sides, dribbling across the table and even the dog is lapping some up off the floor.

We are lucky little bastiges indeed. All this for $30.

The amazing news is that it's going to get even BETTER! There WILL be further additions/improvements.

Ignore the malcontents. HTC is even now, as you read this, working to make this even better!
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2000, 11:50:00 AM »
On top of that....€/$ is raising! More $ per €!  Maybe now I can buy another glass, since mine is like Toad's  

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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2000, 12:08:00 PM »
I think it would be better to do new game (unless Oleg will succeed in somewhat terrific game which has this and that for plane)
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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2000, 12:18:00 PM »
Rgr that, Toad.   To everything you said.

Hiya RAM, my old mate.

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